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I was so desperate and felt so small, I hardly slept. My todo list was enormous, and anguish filled my heart. > the MATE desktop can=E2=80=99t use an additional monitor besides the lapt= op, Is this under X or Wayland? Please see if the eyes in 'xeyes' follow your mouse. In X, you can try something like xrandr --output VGA-1 --auto --left-of LVDS-1 xrandr will tell you the names of all available outputs when you run it without arguments. > I started to learn Emacs some month ago, but it takes a lot of time, and > I am not able to use your approach with EXWM because I don=E2=80=99t have= the > time to study computer science/Informatik. You shouldn't, and I do not recommend it. > Of course Emacs is very good and I would like to learn to use it little > by little. Emacs is an editor for you (and a way of life for me). It's actually a bit like yoga. You can go into the pose as deeply as you like, but you should not go further than you are comfortable at that moment. > I also share that hope, because Debian works well, I simply left it > because I want GNU and a rolling release distro. You could track Debian testing [1] as I did for twenty years. It's a rolling release in which software is guaranteed to build on all official machine types. For the hardy, there is also Debian unstable. [2] That's kind of what you are getting with Guix, although the latter is a lot more stable and has dramatically less danger of data loss. [1] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting [2] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable > I would be satisfied if Guix System manages to use some desktops on a > basic level, simply to use it for the daily needs. Gnome 3 seems to be reasonably well supported on my family's computers, which run Guix. > I am learning to be satisfied with the basics. Welcome to the club. May your freedom serve as compensation for your toils. > It would be interesting if the gdm display manager in MATE desktop would > work, if somebody updates the MATE desktop to the version 1.27 (now 1.24.= 1). GDM should offer a MATE session in the login screen when both are installed, but I haven't tried. Thanks for sticking with us! Kind regards Felix