From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp10.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms9.migadu.com with LMTPS id wGJyGsh1C2SG3gAASxT56A (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 19:24:08 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp10.migadu.com with LMTPS id kCKEGch1C2RKnQAAG6o9tA (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 19:24:08 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33A772FD1E for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 19:24:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pahP7-0003JX-Va; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:23:46 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pahP6-0003JO-Hx for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:23:44 -0500 Received: from sail-ipv4.us-core.com ([208.82.101.137]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pahP4-0000IJ-U1; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:23:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=2017; bh=yoD8MdZx8slhCor DP4E/DnCFawFYuk8262u3JzKZuA0=; h=cc:to:subject:date:from:in-reply-to: references; d=lease-up.com; b=ImmzRH8u9fOEVSICwSDfT4p07oIvZkiZHOagRW2T 9BWn2wm36EMrWBVYSuZF/zmv1ZWcP0UGvPWS8fgH/1J5UE6QFLg5x1MldE0IO24IhWocd6 megQqyPmCJslol86ejJ/9yY1Fw+OCqaloGF9kRg4vgOfUI7s13WC/BUpqSAEc= Received: by sail-ipv4.us-core.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 22600839 (TLSv1.3:TLS_CHACHA20_POLY1305_SHA256:256:NO); Fri, 10 Mar 2023 18:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf1-f51.google.com with SMTP id bi9so7796391lfb.2; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 10:23:35 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKUM/0KUqJwGvMC2rlhWeaEoXAE2CaNNPTUntq2lr1nsD9A0zuKP uG+g58mW31S1abbVoGwFvxmz7vNJljba5JAtpqc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set/F4wGEJRGtGvfzDxZkPaf2lCwl0+4k3kc57x2WiQ90fhfRTukCTGIue1fgYJYmz/jvjuuMEGQ7JwfThPXgXKo= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:4106:0:b0:4db:44f9:a641 with SMTP id b6-20020ac24106000000b004db44f9a641mr8439606lfi.6.1678472613235; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 10:23:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <878rgga1qv.fsf@inria.fr> <871qm8wf8e.fsf@cbaines.net> <87r0u86qgo.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <87y1o9mina.fsf_-_@envs.net> <861qm0da4y.fsf@gmail.com> <87sfegwh28.fsf@gmail.com> <878rg7uqb4.fsf@gmail.com> <86lek6ntpb.fsf@gmail.com> <874jqtte7c.fsf@gmail.com> <87bkl0frnk.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <87bkl0frnk.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 10:22:56 -0800 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#61894: [PATCH RFC] Team approval for patches To: =?UTF-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: Maxim Cournoyer , Simon Tournier , Andreas Enge , =?UTF-8?B?5a6L5paH5q2m?= , Christopher Baines , guix-devel@gnu.org, 61894@debbugs.gnu.org, guix-maintainers@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=208.82.101.137; envelope-from=felix.lechner@lease-up.com; helo=sail-ipv4.us-core.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." 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Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=lease-up.com header.s=2017 header.b=ImmzRH8u; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1678472648; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=khYAJy8vEv6Fhk4fGuzywto9surobAn5FZ9O8Vmt9M9/8vZKU/4ZcQEjVrvgs1VZBNqgZl F0WZ0xrEE07gm+Tj4t/qjFlkf04os3QuoZUcclz0ug3LHHs9BB9LoBz2UnIeyIqPS54ZLn a15gbyFgC+By5nAvEtwvjX7HUAwbM8GQTEzeKHqaUPB3oj+p91yPrxykNvwj30XmaoQKVp AWE453bCW/EjomjtSwRbaeVWhIDnH8sigQ7uIBZi0F087rTM+iHmcE9Jcs0Cw3pk1tSEd2 1KSjtRXKrNVJDBLauuZFG/XSR+giwySQkptxlc/EnU0YHnsynPB4TfzFDdMZrA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1678472648; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=yoD8MdZx8slhCorDP4E/DnCFawFYuk8262u3JzKZuA0=; b=eX1Y1P1WwtrV/gPujwMSxxUPrnsytBccRiyruiLFf2EDpAnZxqQgYAIGiipOil5wCMycNU 5VYl7IkLfmZ3HCSSnsP5Xpp4byKowuNJN95f553+0EXN/Zi2PxG1ir0A/CG2MtCEduNNlt u6GfiphbSYhT2ec8hkru252Vw/xk8i8uV+Lg/E/6LUhI/8liEaELto8mfykuNAr2nm2PAp q/DVyXFVwTltUFkSMGwnBrv+6Jxl4bTjg9hUdBTsL633Vv/25GGRlyABtBq1Un8GR5vGyG 09r+R0xXkZXqEsdIzy0KxUVueO3ko1mkOzvJHYWgi3Bnn+rCrosvnKCreunJrg== X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.99 X-Spam-Score: -1.99 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 33A772FD1E X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=lease-up.com header.s=2017 header.b=ImmzRH8u; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org X-TUID: pCfBJtwPBaUR Hi Ludo', On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 9:22=E2=80=AFAM Ludovic Court=C3=A8s = wrote: > > Like you I=E2=80=99m glad collaboration is nice and friendly; yet, over t= he past > few months I=E2=80=99ve experienced misunderstandings that seemingly brok= e the > consensus-based process that has always prevailed. I have no idea what happened there, but it may be best to be open and direct about it. Would it be helpful for everyone to share details? Although you know that already, it would be best to avoid accusations and look inward with statements like "I was unhappy about ... because of ...." I might also avoid the word "you" and instead address all messages to a third party. When unhappy, we could write to "Yogi Bear". Alternatives would be "Scooby-Doo" or "Winnie the Poo". They do something similar in the parliaments around the world. I picked unisex characters for that reason (although all three appear a bit more male than female). Also, why not retitle the bug as "Restore and improve our consensus-based process"? Thanks to everyone for working on Guix! We have a truly great, warm and welcoming community. Kind regards Felix