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From: Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@gmail.com>
To: Guix Devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>
Cc: Vagrant Cascadian <vagrant@reproducible-builds.org>
Subject: Re: maradns reproducibility fixes and the merits of picking a random number
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 20:24:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFHYt54b-D6FrvkG8PvUayzjWkqW62LgJzgexXHqcggxENfV8w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pmjlfdjl.fsf@contorta>

Hi,

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 6:50 PM Vagrant Cascadian
<vagrant@reproducible-builds.org> wrote:
>
> So, Debian's maradns package just removes this embedding of a "random"
> number, and I've basically adapted their patches to build reproducibly
> on guix too... by basically embedding the same "random" number every
> single build!

There may be more than one opinion, but as the maintainer of a TLS
library in Debian I think it is a questionable tradeoff. At a minimum,
it would be preferable to use the version number instead of a fixed
constant for all releases.

MaraDNS does not support DNSSEC so the program may not use entropy for
keys. Either way, I'd rather use an unreproducible build than,
accidentally, a known number series to encrypt secrets. Can one patch
out the constant entirely so it is no longer available?

The upstream website says: "People like MaraDNS because it’s ...
remarkably secure." [1] Since many distributions have the same issue,
upstream could perhaps offer the patch as a build switch to enable a
build-time seed only when needed.

Thank you for your hard work on Guix! As a newbie I'll say, what a
great distro. Thanks, everyone!

Kind regards,
Felix Lechner

[1] https://maradns.samiam.org/


  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-07  3:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-07  1:49 maradns reproducibility fixes and the merits of picking a random number Vagrant Cascadian
2022-06-07  3:24 ` Felix Lechner [this message]
2022-06-07  5:20   ` Julien Lepiller
2022-06-07 12:11     ` Brian Cully via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2022-06-08 11:48       ` Efraim Flashner
2022-06-08 14:09         ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2022-06-08 11:47     ` Efraim Flashner
2022-06-08 20:33       ` Vagrant Cascadian
2022-06-23  2:05         ` Vagrant Cascadian
2022-06-28  1:31           ` Vagrant Cascadian
2022-06-28  9:30             ` Efraim Flashner
2022-06-28 15:39               ` Jack Hill
2022-06-28 16:04               ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2022-06-28 16:18                 ` Gábor Boskovits
2022-06-28 16:33                   ` Vagrant Cascadian
2022-06-28 19:06                     ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2022-06-28 19:15                       ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2022-07-12  2:36                       ` Vagrant Cascadian
2022-07-12  2:41                         ` Vagrant Cascadian
2022-07-18 11:21                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-07-19 13:09                             ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2022-06-07 15:15 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-06-08 19:28 ` Arun Isaac
2022-06-08 20:25   ` Vagrant Cascadian
2022-06-14 17:16     ` Philip McGrath
2022-06-08 19:43 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-06-08 20:23   ` Vagrant Cascadian

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