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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.00 X-Spam-Score: -8.00 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: EF97656DFC X-TUID: W3gioazW1l7v >I'm sorry if my tone was too harsh, I now realise this is still triggering old pain. >Why is it still OK to for people to keep spreading negative anecdotes about Emacs, and problematic to refute them or counter them with positive anecdotes? It was a mistake to say that. I felt the reflexive need to justify why I don't use emacs, or else people would just tell me to use it anyways as a result of talking about not knowing of a decent (alternative) lisp editor. >It's been me believing exactly such lies that scared me away from starting with Emacs for years, lost years in a way; something I deeply regret: this has to stop. I want to clarify that I'm not just repeating rumors and I actually have tried to use emacs. On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 5:00=E2=80=AFAM Janneke Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > > paul writes: > > Dear Paul, > > > On 9/23/23 09:37, Janneke Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > >> Nathan Dehnel writes: > >> > >>> I don't use emacs either (because it's so impenetrable) > >> Emacs might be somewhat different from what you know, but this is utte= r > >> bollocks. > > > > Thank you for your opinion but it's just that: a subjective judgement > > based on your own episodic experience. > > I'm sorry if my tone was too harsh, I now realise this is still > triggering old pain. > > Why is it still OK to for people to keep spreading negative anecdotes > about Emacs, and problematic to refute them or counter them with > positive anecdotes? > > It's been me believing exactly such lies that scared me away from > starting with Emacs for years, lost years in a way; something I deeply > regret: this has to stop. > > Greetings, > Janneke > > -- > Janneke Nieuwenhuizen | GNU LilyPond https://LilyPond.= org > Freelance IT https://www.JoyOfSource.com | Avatar=C2=AE https://AvatarAca= demy.com