From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: =?UTF-8?Q?G=C3=A1bor_Boskovits?= Subject: Re: [outreachy] Further steps Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 21:06:08 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20181024071635.29543fcf@alma-ubu> <875zxp56un.fsf@elephly.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54876) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gG7RM-0002U0-Bq for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 15:06:37 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gG7RJ-0003vw-0J for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 15:06:35 -0400 Received: from mail-oi1-x22b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::22b]:37499) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gG7RC-0003bM-58 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 15:06:27 -0400 Received: by mail-oi1-x22b.google.com with SMTP id e17-v6so1947258oib.4 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 12:06:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Laura Lazzati Cc: Guix-devel , Ricardo Wurmus Hello Laura, Laura Lazzati ezt =C3=ADrta (id=C5=91pont: 201= 8. okt. 26., P, 20:47): > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:22 PM G=C3=A1bor Boskovits wrote: > > > > Hello Laura, > > > > Laura Lazzati ezt =C3=ADrta (id=C5=91pont:= 2018. > > okt. 26., P, 17:01): > > > > > > Hi! > > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 7:40 AM Ricardo Wurmus w= rote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Laura, > > > > > > > > > I fill kind of silly, but I am afraid of clicking "Apply for this > > > > > project" and be sending just one contribution and that's it. > > > > > > > > Don=E2=80=99t worry about that. The number of contributions is not= the primary > > > > metric we use to select an intern. Communication weighs a lot, and= the > > > > proposed timeline is pretty important to us, too. The timeline won= =E2=80=99t > > > > necessarily be followed during the project (as it=E2=80=99s really = hard to > > > > predict exact durations), but it is good to spend some time on thin= king > > > > about how this big project can be broken up into much smaller, simp= ler > > > > tasks. To us it is important to see that this kind of careful thin= king > > > > reflected in the proposed timeline. > > > > Also, you can still record contributions after the application, but as = Ricardo > > said, the number of contributions is not the primary metric. > I thought that they were really important, so that was why I was > thinking about doing more contributions up to November. I still would > like to be a contributor even the outcome of Outreachy, as I > mentioned, but if I can apply to Outreachy the better. > > > > > Sorry for the typos. It was feel. > > > I have just clicked the button, to see the form, and yes, the timelin= e > > > is the most difficult part of it. > > > I have been reading your discussion in another thread of mails, so I > > > am a little mixed up with that. > > > (I guess it is your discussion, but it confused me a little at least > > > about how to go on). > > > > Please, don't get confused. That one is an open discussion, feel free t= o join. > > We would like to have a clearer picture about the community expectation= s > > regarding the project, set up some priorities, and plan some infrastruc= ture for > > the work. I would like you to get involved, so that you can also expres= s your > > opinion and expectations, as the outcome of the discussion will influen= ce your > > work if you are chosen. ( It is very undesirable that you work on somet= hing that > > you don't like, it kills morale fast. ) > > Oh, thanks :) I was not mentioning anything there because I did not > want to become an intruder or something like that. > But I have some suggestions. Maybe I could mention them there. As a > user who watches tutorials and as a person who at least suggested > doing video tutorials, even though in that case my proposals were > going probably to end up in YouTube or something like that. You can have a look at the proposed distribution locations at the other discussion. > > > > > Shall we discuss together how to set the timeline? > > > > Yes, that would be nice. > > > > > Shall I propose it? > > > > I would like you to come up with an initial proposal, and then iterate = on that. > Ok, I have the initial Outreachy project next to me. I will take a > look at everything there, and write down a proposal, during the > following days, WDYT? Ok, that would be great. > > > > > Do I need to know the editing tools before starting the internship if > > > I am chosen? > > > > I don't think that is necessary, and at the current state of discussion= I would > > not like to force any tools. Actually I am open to proposals regarding = the > > concrete implementation ideas, and the set of tools to use. > I was asking this because I see the community is concerned about the > freedom, so maybe I come up with a tool and it is not GPL, maybe it > has another license and I don't check that very well, and I do not > want to have kind of trouble, but I could add in the timeline time to > learn tools that I do not know. I use FOSS in general, so that I do > not make a mistake with a tool. > For instance, i knew some LaTeX instead of Texinfo, so I was reading abou= t it. Actually free software is not necessarily GPL. You can have a look at the list of FSF approved licenses at https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html. Note that there are GPL incompatible free software licences, but software lincensed by these is still free software. (For example LaTeX is free software) As you can see software freedom and licensing is a quite sophisticated issue in general. You can generally trust that software packaged by guix is free. ( We are trying hard to make it so, at least :-) ). If you would like to use software that is currently not packaged, we can have a look at the proposed tools to see if they are free. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ricardo > > > > > > > Regards! > > > Laura > > > > Best regards, > > g_bor > > Regards! > Laura Best regards, g_bor