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From: Julien Lepiller <julien@lepiller.eu>
To: guix-devel@gnu.org,Zhu Zihao <all_but_last@163.com>
Subject: Re: Word order in Guix l10n
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 07:25:41 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <A1ED1354-1287-481E-B879-E4765F57D07A@lepiller.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86mtyf49x7.fsf@163.com>

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Even when translating to French, I sometimes feel the need to change word order, but I end up finding a slightly unnatural way to preserve the order of arguments. I don't have an example at hand though.

I don't know enough about guile to know how best to implement that (or if that exists already).

Le 15 décembre 2020 05:53:56 GMT-05:00, Zhu Zihao <all_but_last@163.com> a écrit :
>
>Hi, Guix users!
>
>Currently I'm putting my energy into Guix l10n(zh_CN). However, there's
>a serious flaw in current implementation of l10n.
>
>AFAFIK, Guix use format in (ice-9 format) to format the the template
>string return by `G_`. The template string of (ice-9 format) looks
>similar to the format template defined in ANSI CL, which only supports
>format arguments **one by one**.
>
>In CJK languages, word order usually different from English.
>
>For example. consider message
>
>  "could not find bootstrap binary '~a' for system '~a'"
>
>We mark first ~a as %1 and mark second as %2. It should be translated
>into Chinese like this
>
>  "无法找到用于引导 %2 系统的二进制文件 %1"
>
>But currently it looks to be impossible because we can't refer
>to positional argument in format template.
>
>My suggestions is we can create a new format function supports refer to
>positional argument like
>
>  (pos-format "~3 ~2 ~1" "foo" "bar" "baz") ;; => "baz bar foo"
>
>And replace `format` in l10n with `pos-format` step by step. Maybe we
>can create a function to combine `G_` and `format` so we can change its
>implement detail without breaking existing code.
>
>Please leave your comment on my opinion, thanks :)
>
>
>-- 
>Retrieve my PGP public key:
>
>  gpg --recv-keys D47A9C8B2AE3905B563D9135BE42B352A9F6821F
>
>Zihao

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-15 12:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-15 10:53 Word order in Guix l10n Zhu Zihao
2020-12-15 12:25 ` Julien Lepiller [this message]
2020-12-18 15:04   ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-12-18 18:03     ` Arun Isaac
2020-12-22 15:00       ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-12-22 15:06         ` Julien Lepiller
2020-12-23 12:22           ` Miguel Ángel Arruga Vivas
2020-12-27 22:13             ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-12-22 15:45         ` Miguel Ángel Arruga Vivas
2020-12-15 13:11 ` Arun Isaac
2020-12-15 13:51   ` Zhu Zihao

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