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From: indieterminacy <indieterminacy@libre.brussels>
To: Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>
Cc: MSavoritias <email@msavoritias.me>,
	paul <goodoldpaul@autistici.org>,
	Janneke Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org>,
	Nathan Dehnel <ncdehnel@gmail.com>,
	atai@atai.org, guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: The Giraffe; the Pelican et al (was Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 09:33:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9d6b59d0a8ac708e4d70b81080cd8039@libre.brussels> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86zg1aj8ib.fsf@gmail.com>

On 25-09-2023 22:35, Simon Tournier wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 at 14:13, MSavoritias <email@msavoritias.me> wrote:
> 
>> So saying that the people who don't know guile or guix need to first
>> contribute docs is pretty ridiculous.
> 
> Why?  Could you explain more why it appears to you “ridiculous”?
> 

My frustration seems to be that a lot of negative energy has been 
directed towards Emacs.
It has almost been straying towards anti elitist type discourse (that 
one is observing more increasingly in politics) -
*rather* than doOcracy style discourse that there is a problem and 
people are capable of autonomously resolving these things.

Emacs has not done something wrong here - it has merely had people who 
have had the capacity for exploration and reaching certain goals and 
insights then documenting their techniques within the Guix 
documentation.

It seems strange that people havent sooner expressed the concept of:
'well, I have this setup in /this/ editor, Ill put it up. Anybody else 
want to contribute and fill out gaps X Y and Z?'

It is worth noting that there has been a thread fork, starting this this 
subject title which is behaving more maturely and proactively:
RFC: add more setups to Guix docs

Similarly, there have been more sounds regarding Vim which are more 
proactive and constructive.

If people want a plurality of editors represented in the documentation 
they should be proactive about it, rather than lamenting and using 
divisive rhetoric.

> Cheers,
> simon

-- 
Jonathan McHugh
indieterminacy@libre.brussels


  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-26  7:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-23  5:19 The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang Nathan Dehnel
2023-09-23  7:37 ` Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2023-09-23  8:58   ` paul
2023-09-23 10:00     ` Janneke Nieuwenhuizen
2023-09-24  7:37       ` Nathan Dehnel
2023-09-24  8:51         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-09-25 11:19           ` MSavoritias
2023-09-25 18:54             ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-09-25 19:21               ` Simon Tournier
2023-09-25 11:09       ` MSavoritias
2023-09-25 20:34         ` Emacs and Guix (was Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang) Simon Tournier
2023-09-28  7:19           ` Efraim Flashner
2023-10-02 11:23       ` The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang Munyoki Kilyungi
2023-09-23 12:59     ` The Giraffe; the Pelican et al (was Re: The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang) indieterminacy
2023-09-25 11:13       ` MSavoritias
2023-09-25 20:35         ` Simon Tournier
2023-09-26  7:33           ` indieterminacy [this message]
2023-09-23  9:56 ` The e(macs)lephant in the room and the Guix Bang Ricardo Wurmus
2023-09-23 10:25   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2023-09-23 12:29   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2023-09-24  7:11   ` Nathan Dehnel
2023-09-24 20:19   ` Csepp
2023-09-24 21:46     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2023-09-27 18:38 ` Christine Lemmer-Webber
2023-09-28  6:12   ` Nathan Dehnel

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