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HTH! Many thanks for your analysis. Meanwhile it came to my mind that I actually have different installations of guix which I can compare, Below are three installations. each one has a different order (these are actually different versions of guix with different importers/updaters, anyhow the order should be the same): stackage pypi opam minetest launchpad kde hexpm hackage gnome github generic-git gem elpa egg crate bioconductor cran cpan savannah generic-html gnu-ftp sourceforge xorg kernel.org gnu stackage pypi opam minetest launchpad kde hackage gnome github generic-git gem elpa egg crate cran bioconductor cpan kernel.org sourceforge gnu generic-html gnu-ftp xorg savannah stackage pypi opam minetest launchpad kde hackage gnome github generic-git gem elpa egg crate bioconductor cran cpan sourceforge generic-html gnu-ftp savannah xorg kernel.org gnu -- Regards Hartmut Goebel | Hartmut Goebel | h.goebel@crazy-compilers.com | | www.crazy-compilers.com | compilers which you thought are impossible |