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It makes me a little hesitant about Zephy= r if they have just given up > on other people building their SDK, but I am very glad all of you smart= people are working on a > Guix alternative. >=20 >=20I am still curious if other parts of Guix System could be useful in e= mbedded environments if all of > the packages are cross-compiled. >=20 >=20I am not sure of the detailed plans for Oniro, but I assume that it w= ill provide some sort of > abstraction layer and user space on top of either the Linux kernel or t= he embedded Zephyr kernel. > Would it be possible to make some subset of Guix System into something = equivalent or is an entirely > new operating system really necessary for that purpose? Are most of the= resource requirements for > Guix System, 1 Gig of ram, etc, due to the package builder and Guix/Nix= daemon? If it was possible > to declare an instance of Guix System that did not include those and on= ly used cross-compiled > packages, could some portion of Guix System function in a similar way a= s Oniro, or is that a > nonsense question? I'm probably not the best person to ask about that. I am adding in Mitch= ell to the discussion. Mitchell, what do you think? Could we use a subset of guix system in emb= edded environments? Thanks, Joshua