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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619687642; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=6QbA/Ves5353dkoUgy4PAPn96g2bFXlKIewys+PVd3o=; b=IQi4ID+HhhXriXG0AM22P+Tj9IyLiqk1ejcBMmZqv1An1chukMrwzl+YANmWBq/L2j0B7b TfPO+YtZkF2DSsPw0fqNcnBtIZ71sqPd9PHFJRtBgzJ0lTXp1479+UR0rEFPiY5WR3oSrO kghYK6nODCqlwlQmTaL6WqJ5hA3YkWI3U7A+CAO8M2Z8T4Sp042oBl1ymgYKyCmQEMGA6O D0eoHrlCoZlx6lPkBUSvrC+DGyBgY3W6OORQW6iTping9twUUJxK0NnimTl6PutElWCLK0 mr7B7iHQv5+VBBMYSiW02NOEelFY0VXzPGbGRpTXEpm67k/aG1u27KWgy/NKqQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619687642; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=WZeGpFQGRJ9QjQIaPBOxGDwZ0I3k5V0vqfPUZI4rgy+9P36jWU1vp7+yYygBqKyNtL4Alg ykrqiKWW6QPXFWtJcGhbWllAEexZKbRGvAm0n4q+fUkvZgyNasZ2Ie5wEjW/pGX/D4yBZq x67XzC/l++YdXMla59RbvDwUI+chppkphWmCiqsbWQW+1+nVueBrN8cigHgX+O4N5CgVkb uUj7mipUKzPA1gjceiIiGlJB0m6z56rxbc1AnzzuxfSHf3zQFtC3wGASQi7tvKpJzfmwAv L3/8K/ugKbwLf+LqHov1eBcdVKMQzvynrCkGNPz9gWoqV/ho5DhgXq8HbldIlQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=zaclys.net header.s=default header.b="ZUT/6ED2"; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.25 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=zaclys.net header.s=default header.b="ZUT/6ED2"; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=zaclys.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E825C215D2 X-Spam-Score: -5.25 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: aER5CEGhYkmk --=-Ea4fE2xniDsfYrqR6rYp Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2021-04-28 at 17:52 +0200, Marius Bakke wrote: > L=C3=A9o, >=20 > We maintainers have been disappointed by Marks harsh tone which do > not > meet the project's communication standards, but also by your apparent > lack of will to reply constructively to legitimate criticism. >=20 > This is the next in a series of incidents. The incidents are okay > --we > we all make mistakes and that's how we learn--but we interpreted your > responses all too often as dismissive and defensive, rather than > understanding and forward-looking. This has been causing unnecessary > friction and stress, and is not how we envision peaceful > collaboration. >=20 > I'm sorry to say your commit privileges have been temporarily > suspended. After one month, you are invited to get in touch with the > maintainers collective and discuss next steps. >=20 > You have done terrific work in Guix in the short time you've been > around: from the POWER9 port, to the many security fixes, > to tracking and reporting issues, and suggesting improvements to the > tools. I hope you'll eventually rejoin to collaborate in the > peaceful > and empathetic fashion that this project encourages. >=20 Hello! To make a statement about this on the public mailing list also, I think such suspension is largely unfair and unjustified. It seems I am expected to do peaceful collaboration with people who are not writing messages in a non-violent manner, and I refuse to engage further in that context. I do not want to answer Mark or anyone else who does not write in a friendly way. If that means I cannot be a GNU Guix contributor then I will not be any longer. It means for me that GNU Guix is not a safe place for me to contribute to. I think if anyone expects me to not answer in a dismissive or defensive way then also they must think of the message they're writing if it is encouraging a confrontational response or peaceful collaboration. I don't feel like I have been hindering peaceful collaboration at any time, since everything I've done in GNU Guix was collaborative work. With many people in the GNU Guix community everything goes well and is very peaceful, when there's problems it's with specific people who also happen to write messages in a way that generates confrontation. I cannot and I refuse to collaborate with people who are not being friendly and do not care about the emotions of the humans they're communicating with, it's the reason I come to GNU Guix in the first place, but to me it appears it's not the right place for that either now. 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