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dkim=pass header.d=libre.brussels header.s=mail header.b=LTUnkGCw; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=libre.brussels; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2B9EB3886F X-Spam-Score: -9.22 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: pN8LoiCfjG/0 ***no coding but pertinent to this thread*** As somebody who recently experienced collateral effects (seemingly) as an= indirect consequence of the ongoing war, I can attest that the conflict = is multifaceted. I consider the integrity of operating systems to be so significant that w= hen confronted with an anomoly I had to risk my personal liberty in the f= ace of liberal institutions (and all the latency that Western institution= alism creates) - to minimise any risk of harm to others. Anybody wanting to understanding the ambiguities that contradict the dual= ism which is sweeping over the world may want to consider reading cold wa= r authors such as Len Deighton (or at least this is my impression from ch= ildhood reading (there is nothing in the world more dangerous to the stat= us quo than a child with a library card...)). I recall an anecdote of a new Conservative MP entering the Palace of West= minster with an experienced colleague: "I cant wait to get the chance to get at the enemy" he said, beckoning to= the other party's benches. "You are thoroughly mistaken," his mentor said, "the enemy is over there!= ", pointing to the backbench of their own party. As a professional coder, my renumeration involves providing work as a pub= lic good. Uniquely, I have dscretion regarding which licence to choose. As somebody who would try to position oneself as close to pacivism as pos= sible (Im sure I have enough caveats, exceptions and contradictions that = impede me reaching such an honourary status), I tried to identify somethi= ng which would 'turn swords into ploughshares' and limit the ability for = my works to be used to censor, discriminate or be used against local or f= oreign populations. Alas, such 'crayon licenses' seem to be too convoluted to practically wor= k - rendering legal compatability as obtuse as my my coding, concepts and= prose (indeed that cumbersome...), limiting any of my work inoperabile w= ith non individual/atomic activity and practically unenforceable. The logic of GNU's licensing was that like a pen and paper one should not= to able to discriminate and its problematic to accurately and sustainabl= y place contraints. Now, it is arguable that the history of MIT funding with connection to Am= erican military funding may have encouraged such an *expedient/pragmatic*= position but I am not positioned well enough to swim up such a fast movi= ng currents. As coders we have a responsibility to remember the words of Oscar Wilde: "If you want a man to speak the truth give him a mask" To those lacking a deeper awareness of the man's work it is perhaps worth= understanding the context behind why he wrote The Ballad of Reading Gaol= . As well as the reasons as to why it was written under the pseudonym C.3= .3. .=20 The=20ability to internalise such blemishes on liberal institutions and a= ct upon them are in many respects my distinction between a "subject" and = a "citizen". To those with the luxury of freedom of conscience or the ambition for gre= ater autonomy I have further appeal for level headness with regards to th= e war - watch out for bullshitters and knaves on your own benches, there = is enough obfuscation within each invididual's nation state for us to cou= nter to help resolve this conflict, as well as inhibit the drivers that p= romote our aggregate insecurity. Id like to think these thoughts uncontentious. Id personally not like to = further impede coding flow (I hope I have emboldened enough re the paramo= unt importance of secure, private and accountable information archiecture= ). However... I do have three distracting points to address: * If you want to extinguish the fire of the Russian military complex (and= other autocratic regimes) we need to heavily invest right now in insulat= ion to decouple from these pernicious parashites. Do not complain about b= lood or plead the need to spaff money on destructive instruments - all po= litical and economic attention should be made to turning off the taps at = our end. Do you desire peace enough that you would insulate a stranger's = home? Or merely bomb anothers? * I do not prioritise the opinion of hawkish nation states with regards t= o their interaction to Putin. Its my bias to consider that Putin would fl= inch if he fully internalised why the existence of the Republic of Irelan= d is not an aberation but a natural equilibrium (everybody is entitled to= consider (in a normative sense) its current boundaries to be a static or= a dynamic point) * If you think you can sneer at another nation based upon something which= your nation was doing within living memory then you need to remember tha= t societies dont have the lifespan of mayflies - they are a culmination o= f hundreds if not thousands of years of behaviour, please take a long vie= w on where we need to all go. Peace to all, xxx =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Jonathan McHugh indieterminacy@libre.brussels March 7, 2022 2:57 AM, "Tobias Geerinckx-Rice" wrote: > Mykola, >=20 >=20I hope this nightmare for all Ukranians ends as soon as possible. >=20 >=20However, I thought we'd made it clear that these lists are no place f= or hatred. >=20 >=20Those unfortunate to live inside an authoritarian state deserve as mu= ch freedom and compassion as > its other victims. They certainly don't deserve to be punished for it. >=20 >=20By denying them the right to facts, privacy, and security you're not = merely punishing them: you're > doing your enemy's job for free. >=20 >=20Anyway, back at the topic... >=20 >=20Others in a similar country have previously set up a 'Guix mirror' us= ing specialised software: > . I gues= s it's worth trying from > within Russia? >=20 >=20Kind regards, >=20 >=20T G-R >=20 >=20Sent on the go. Excuse or enjoy my brevity.