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Resent-From: zamfofex Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:15:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 63088 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Liliana Marie Prikler , 63088@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?=E5=AE=8B=E6=96=87=E6=AD=A6?= , zimon.toutoune@gmail.com Received: via spool by 63088-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B63088.16905680779905 (code B ref 63088); Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:15:01 +0000 Received: (at 63088) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jul 2023 18:14:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46095 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qPRz2-0002Zg-Of for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2023 14:14:37 -0400 Received: from mta-07-3.privateemail.com ([198.54.118.214]:32214) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qPRz0-0002ZT-3R for 63088@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2023 14:14:35 -0400 Received: from mta-07.privateemail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta-07.privateemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B981018000B7; Fri, 28 Jul 2023 14:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from APP-01 (unknown [10.50.14.151]) by mta-07.privateemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 76BCF18000B5; Fri, 28 Jul 2023 14:14:24 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=twdb.moe; s=default; t=1690568067; bh=XfCK7I7xUVxkONgR2Vul2kRlyCxWr2t7CkV9MPk7e6w=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From; b=hfYhtAL+BVTXlYrRjNlIsnRwLy4v8SV3ftVffXhQsI6YwZB7TPsrRiDLABoQulK4W UfNZfbKpVjOsP4F4C/4hDAyorAtCa+2PNuZ/vjaZI+BIU62fGeeXlx7EMbgTSG/eFa NM8baG+pmKGNfG/auXd5W5qn+kAFVAaoaxQT0rv0LYUzrzK8+L/0wKi25PMDEghQyj Gz+pWBExnQnFTVSQhcjKDarVN7T/QbcxI7wOEBVtXkdvQ8cz3qzImb8nDlIjM/kw42 +Y8t5kfFYGH02OcgqH6foSwvJt6sNJuDzIZZNO0+mj1eZCbbaR2Ze9xNNJ+xzqQ5FG /2Yxk6aQAzAVw== Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:14:24 -0300 (BRT) From: zamfofex Message-ID: <937633202.490696.1690568064431@privateemail.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.10.6-Rev48 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: AE77349751 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx1.migadu.com X-TUID: 9Kb6q6+fb5X/ > This sentence looks semantically incorrect. Yes, sorry! I guess you didn=E2=80=99t receive my correction email. (I=E2= =80=99m still bad at sending emails properly, it seems.) See: I had meant =E2=80=9CLc0 does *not* run without th= e neural networks=E2=80=9D. > Providing a default, if it can be bootstrapped, but allowing the user to = choose would be the best option. I don=E2=80=99t think a default can be easily bootstrapped. When I first su= bmitted the patch, I talked with some of the Lc0 developers, and they said = it might be possible to bootstrap one by using Stockfish in several minutes= , but there is no code that does that currrently (it would have to be writt= en and is nontrivial). And it wouldn=E2=80=99t be as effective as the exist= ing networks, because Stockfish=E2=80=99s evaluation provides less informat= ion than Lc0=E2=80=99s is able to use. In any case, that feels entirely redundant, because Stockfish=E2=80=99s NNU= E networks were trained on Lc0=E2=80=99s anyway, so it seems to be only add= ing a layer of complexity for no seemingly good reason. If this concern can be addressed somehow, I can submit a followup patch. (E= ither just fixing the wording, or also removing the networks.)