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I think this is a common (and not unreasonable!) assu= mption we Guixers forget > exists. >=20 >=20The =E2=80=98Guix daemon=E2=80=99 is not required to run Guix softwar= e or Guix System, only for store operations > (building, GC'ing, =E2=80=A6). >=20 >=20The name =E2=80=98guix-build-daemon=E2=80=99 would have been closer t= o the truth. Thanks for clarifying. So, guix system requires a shepherd daemon to be = running correct? That shepherd daemon starts at boot and runs as PID 1 and starts all syst= em services. Does the guix-build-daemon start lazily or only when needed? So if I boo= ted up my guix system laptop, and only browsed the internet, never typed in any "guix " command, would the guix-build-da= emon ever run? >=20 >=20Kind regards, >=20 >=20T G-R >=20 >=20Sent from a Web browser. Excuse or enjoy my brevity.