From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: HiPhish Subject: Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines? Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2018 01:38:42 +0100 Message-ID: <8922916.CgCP4BZ6rP@aleksandar-ixtreme-m5740> References: <11169507.O9o76ZdvQC@aleksandar-ixtreme-m5740> <3893574.yNgoui0T1j@aleksandar-ixtreme-m5740> <20181030005454.0c3fe335@merlin.browniehive.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35611) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gHI3X-0005kP-NN for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:38:52 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gHI3T-0007ft-PV for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:38:51 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:36791) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gHI3R-0007f5-Vh for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:38:47 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C368F2400E5 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2018 01:38:43 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <20181030005454.0c3fe335@merlin.browniehive.net> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Tonton Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org On Tuesday, 30 October 2018 00:54:54 CET you wrote:> > You, me, Alex and the rest of Guix share a culture. I'm assuming that is the > culture Alex refers to, not the cultures of our distinct offline locale. What culture am I sharing with you? I am not a hacker, I only care about code quality, just as only care about the plumbing of my toilet and not plumber culture. I also care about software Freedom because I have been bitten in the behind often enough by proprietary software to know that it is wrong. I care about Guix because functional package management is the only sane way of package management. What is the alternative to Guix? Flatpak and other opaque systems suitable for bundling proprietary software? > Also, the burden of proof really is with HiPhish. Harassment in tech, and > FLOSS especially has been well documented. See for example: > http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/FLOSS > https://lwn.net/Articles/417952/ > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/05/open_source_developer_survey_2017/ > for a start. I asked for proof, not "she said, he said". Except this is just "she said". What if that "groping" as some guy brushing at her butt in a crowd by accident? I have a really hard time believing that there is an epidemic of serial gropers at tech conferences. Does that mean no one gets groped? Of course not, even I had my butt slapped in the past by girls, but so what? Here is a question for you: why are you taking these reports for granted? Do you not consider the possibility that isolated issues are being blown out of proportion by malicious agents? The incidents don't even have to be fake, the offender might be a malicious agent as well. Free and Open Source projects are a problem for proprietary software companies and any means to disrupt the projects is acceptable. Why do you think the CC is so focused on punishment and not healing?