From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Subject: Re: Publishing an Official Statement on Self-Hosted Compilers Date: Fri, 06 May 2016 12:09:43 +0200 Message-ID: <87zis37b14.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1462459952.3184683.599099897.2F5459D9@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39182) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aychw-00080S-Cj for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2016 06:10:10 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aychk-0003o7-Ge for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2016 06:09:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1462459952.3184683.599099897.2F5459D9@webmail.messagingengine.com> (Alex Griffin's message of "Thu, 05 May 2016 09:52:32 -0500") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Alex Griffin Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Hello! Alex Griffin skribis: > One thing I think the Guix project should do is work with the > reproducible builds folks to publish a document explaining the issues > involved with self-hosted compilers. It should encourage language > communities to continuously maintain some way to build their language > starting from hand-written C source code (or another language which can > itself be bootstrapped from C). It could also mention that some members > of our community are exploring ways to bootstrap gcc. > > What do you think? It might be a total flop, but it looks like something > we should try anyway! At the moment I do not see other communities > talking about this. Guix is deeply concerned about these issues, but > ultimately we cannot fix everything alone. If we can convince the > Rust/OCaml/Haskell folks that this is important, we may be able to > attract a much larger group of people to bear on the problem. I think it=E2=80=99s a good idea! A lot of the work to fix this issue will= be to raise awareness among compiler writers and invite them to have a bootstrapping story like you describe. Other people in the reproducible-builds community are interested in this so yes, it sounds like the right place to discuss it. Would you like to get it started? :-) We could discuss it on rb-general@lists.reproducible-builds.org=C2=B9 and here. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. =C2=B9 http://lists.reproducible-builds.org/pipermail/rb-general/