From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Mathieu Lirzin Subject: Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines? Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 18:06:45 +0200 Message-ID: <87zhv39vmy.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87k1m852yc.fsf@gnu.org> <8736sv7iex.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46419) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gFLsA-0008RQ-AB for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:19:10 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gFLgP-0002Ev-Um for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:07:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8736sv7iex.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic \=\?utf-8\?Q\?Court\=C3\=A8s\=22'\?\= \=\?utf-8\?Q\?s\?\= message of "Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:23:02 +0200") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Hello Ludo, ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes: > Mathieu Lirzin skribis: > >> Following the announcement made by RMS regarding the new GNU Kind >> Communication Guidelines (GKCG) [1], I would like to know if the Guix >> developpers in particular its maintainers would agree to adopt it in >> place of the current Code of Conduct (CoC)? > > Speaking for myself: no. I think the GKCG fails to address important > issues, such as defining what=E2=80=99s acceptable and what=E2=80=99s not= as well as > clear processes to address this. I am sad that you feels that the GKCG is not sufficient for defining the acceptable behavior of the members of a Free Software community. >> Adopting the GKCG instead of a CoC would help attracting people (like >> me) who agree to use a welcoming and respectful language which >> encourages everyone to contribute but are reluctant in contributing to >> any project following a CoC due to its punitive nature and the politics >> of its authors [2][3]. > > Codes of conduct codify acceptable behavior and formalize processes: > what can I do as a contributor if I=E2=80=99m a victim bad behavior or > harassment? What are the group communication rules? What if I > knowingly break those rules? > > By adopting the code of conduct, we maintainers committed to spend our > time as needed to so your experience contributing to Guix won=E2=80=99t b= e a > source of stress or worse, as is too often the case in on-line > communities. > > The GKCG do not do that. Problems will be dealt with in an ad hoc > fashion (as they already are in groups that have not codified rules), if > they are addressed at all. > > I hope this answers your question. Yes it does perfectly. I personnaly think dealing with such issues in an ad hoc fashion is the right approach when acceptable behaviors are the norm, which IME has been the case. Anyway I still hope that the Guix community will eventually accept the GKCG as an acceptable tradeoff in the CoC debate. Thanks. --=20 Mathieu Lirzin GPG: F2A3 8D7E EB2B 6640 5761 070D 0ADE E100 9460 4D37