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From: Mathieu Lirzin <mthl@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Promoting the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines?
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 18:06:45 +0200
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To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= <ludo@gnu.org>
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Hello Ludo,

ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) writes:

> Mathieu Lirzin <mthl@gnu.org> skribis:
>
>> Following the announcement made by RMS regarding the new GNU Kind
>> Communication Guidelines (GKCG) [1], I would like to know if the Guix
>> developpers in particular its maintainers would agree to adopt it in
>> place of the current Code of Conduct (CoC)?
>
> Speaking for myself: no.  I think the GKCG fails to address important
> issues, such as defining what=E2=80=99s acceptable and what=E2=80=99s not=
 as well as
> clear processes to address this.

I am sad that you feels that the GKCG is not sufficient for defining the
acceptable behavior of the members of a Free Software community.

>> Adopting the GKCG instead of a CoC would help attracting people (like
>> me) who agree to use a welcoming and respectful language which
>> encourages everyone to contribute but are reluctant in contributing to
>> any project following a CoC due to its punitive nature and the politics
>> of its authors [2][3].
>
> Codes of conduct codify acceptable behavior and formalize processes:
> what can I do as a contributor if I=E2=80=99m a victim bad behavior or
> harassment?  What are the group communication rules?  What if I
> knowingly break those rules?
>
> By adopting the code of conduct, we maintainers committed to spend our
> time as needed to so your experience contributing to Guix won=E2=80=99t b=
e a
> source of stress or worse, as is too often the case in on-line
> communities.
>
> The GKCG do not do that.  Problems will be dealt with in an ad hoc
> fashion (as they already are in groups that have not codified rules), if
> they are addressed at all.
>
> I hope this answers your question.

Yes it does perfectly.

I personnaly think dealing with such issues in an ad hoc fashion is the
right approach when acceptable behaviors are the norm, which IME has
been the case.

Anyway I still hope that the Guix community will eventually accept the
GKCG as an acceptable tradeoff in the CoC debate.

Thanks.

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Mathieu Lirzin
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