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Sun, 18 Aug 2024 00:05:26 -0400 (EDT) References: <20240817193240.27089-1-ian@retrospec.tv> <20240817193240.27089-3-ian@retrospec.tv> <87ed6mlcv2.fsf@wireframe> User-agent: mu4e 1.8.13; emacs 28.2 From: Ian Eure Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:48:25 -0700 In-reply-to: <87ed6mlcv2.fsf@wireframe> Message-ID: <87zfpa4gsb.fsf@meson> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.11 X-Spam-Score: -7.11 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: AFC3466033 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx11.migadu.com X-TUID: 7uKlRVBMZOkk Vagrant Cascadian writes: > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] > On 2024-08-17, Ian Eure wrote: >> diff --git a/gnu/packages/nss.scm b/gnu/packages/nss.scm >> index 9224a8ed5a..1a684e6146 100644 >> --- a/gnu/packages/nss.scm >> +++ b/gnu/packages/nss.scm > ... >> +;; nss should track ESRs, but currently doesn't. 3.102.1 is=20 >> the current ESR. >> + >> (define-public nss >> (package >> (name "nss") > > Though I largely agree with the logic (e.g. nss *should*=20 > probably be > packaging ESR versions in general)... it seems a little weird to=20 > include > a comment about what the packaging for nss *should* do, even=20 > though it > is not (yet) doing it... similar with embedding a specific=20 > "current" > version, which will obviously become inaccurate before too=20 > long... > > Alternately, maybe moving the comment to where the nss version=20 > is > actually defined; to give someone pause when considering=20 > updating the > version? > > Or maybe this belongs in a separate discussion on guix-devel=20 > and/or bug? > I started a discussion about nss earlier this year[1], and some of=20 the changes in this patch set are a result of that. The long and=20 short of it is that nss should track ESRs only, and it could do=20 that now, but the process to update it is murky to me due to it=20 causing a lot of rebuilds. I asked for some advice on that a=20 couple days ago[2]. The comment is left in the hopes that a=20 well-meaning contributor doesn=E2=80=99t update it to a non-ESR version=20 before the ESR updates can be worked out, which would set the=20 timeline for that change back by a year. If you have guidance on how to update a package low in the graph,=20 I=E2=80=99d appreciate hearing! > >> +;; nss-rapid tracks the rapid release channel. Unless your=20 >> package requires a >> +;; newer version, you should prefer the `nss' package, which=20 >> tracks the ESR >> +;; channel. >> +;; >> +;; See https://wiki.mozilla.org/NSS:Release_Versions >> +;; and https://wiki.mozilla.org/Rapid_Release_Model >> + >> +(define-public nss-rapid > > Mixed feelings on rapid vs. latest ... latest is a bit more=20 > consistent > with other guix packages, though "rapid" is the terminology that > upstream uses here. > Yes, agreed that the terminology situation isn=E2=80=99t ideal. I don=E2= =80=99t=20 have a strong preference, but neither is there concensus around=20 "latest." In the absence of strong concensus, and to avoid=20 bikeshedding, I opted for reusing upstream terminology, but=20 clarifying that in the package description and synopsis. I=20 frankly do not care which is adopted, and it can be updated any=20 time, since this is high in the package graph. I do think that if=20 the package is named "nss-rapid", the synopsis/description should=20 indicate that this is upstreams Rapid Release channel. It=20 currently does, but would need some trivial editing should the=20 package name change. > Both those points are, in my opinion, quite minor; I would not=20 > want to > block on those points alone! > I agree, and I appreciate your pragmatic approach here. Thanks, =E2=80=94 Ian [1]:=20 https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2024-06/msg00318.html [2]:=20 https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2024-08/msg00074.html