From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Alex Kost Subject: Re: Leaving the guix project Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 21:30:31 +0300 Message-ID: <87y3x2m3so.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87o9y29svy.fsf@igalia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46005) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cfWFs-0001Ur-0c for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2017 13:30:41 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cfWFo-0000o6-Td for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2017 13:30:40 -0500 Received: from mail-lf0-x234.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c07::234]:36117) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cfWFo-0000nN-GL for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2017 13:30:36 -0500 Received: by mail-lf0-x234.google.com with SMTP id b80so4159717lfe.3 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2017 10:30:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (David Craven's message of "Fri, 17 Feb 2017 13:56:04 +0100") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: David Craven Cc: guix-devel David Craven (2017-02-17 13:56 +0100) wrote: >> I think if you posit a free software project that works in the way you >> describe ("on its own"), it would work very much like Guile works >> right now. > > An operating system has to work on all hardware. Asking people to buy a > RYF approved device to run guixsd is no different than apple requiring you > to buy an apple computer to run mac os x. Turning guixsd into an embedded > system for RYF devices is not something I want to spend time and effort on. I > can't with good conscience recommend to people to buy a usb wifi adapter to > use guixsd when I believe they have much larger privacy issues in their devices. > > To be comfortable contributing to a free project I need to know that people are > able to do whatever THEY want, with those contributions, and not what the FSF > wants. The FSDG and GNU philosophy prevent me from offering any kind of help > and require me to do it hidden. What really gets to me is that I feel > - whether justly > or not - that the FSF believes I need to feel shame for doing and recommending > whatever I believe is best. The word "immoral" in this context is > simply unacceptable > to me. > > Compliance with the FSDG makes guix very much dependent on an > external entity. Thanks for this explanation. Now I understand your point and I agree with it! I also don't like that by default GuixSD stricts itself to the hardware supported by linux-libre. If linux-libre didn't support all the hardware on my computer, most likely I would not used GuixSD at all. -- Alex