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I hope you don't feel like you=20 were dragged into a discussion against your will. If so, I really=20 do apologise. I think all intentions here were the opposite: to make sure that=20 even a =E2=80=98weak=E2=80=99 opinion was properly considered. It might tu= rn out=20 to be more robust than the =E2=80=98strong=E2=80=99 ones ;-) That's one of= Guix's=20 strengths IMO. I'll not ask further questions below. zimoun =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > Therefore, why do we provide the =E2=80=99guix=E2=80=99 package in the fi= rst=20 > place? That =E2=80=98guix install guix=E2=80=99 is an error does *not* imply that = the=20 mere existence of the =E2=80=98guix=E2=80=99 package is an error. I think = we can=20 keep those separate. >> How does one continue to use guix *as a package manager*,=20 >> having=20 >> now silently broken =E2=80=98guix pull=E2=80=99? > > There is a confusion here, maybe? Guix is also a Guile library=20 > and that > library is designed around package management. Right. My problem is: I don't understand what's confusing about=20 that fact, so it's hard to communicate effectively about what I=20 don't see=E2=80=A6 > Well, maybe instead the package =E2=80=99guix=E2=80=99, it should be rena= med > =E2=80=99guile-guix=E2=80=99 or =E2=80=99guile-libguix=E2=80=99. That would be going against the spirit of our own naming rules,=20 unless you mean that it should be a =E2=80=98library-only=E2=80=99 variant = that=20 lacks /bin/guix. Now *that* I do find mildly confusing=E2=80=94but only because it's=20 starting to get complex :-) Do we then put /bin/guix in=20 =E2=80=98guix-libguix:bin=E2=80=99? Or a second package? Etc. So I'd rather keep =E2=80=98guix=E2=80=99 available as =E2=80=98guix=E2=80= =99. > Personally, I do not consider ~/.guix-profile more special. Nor do I. I agree that =E2=80=98-p ~/.guix-profile=E2=80=99 shouldn't be m= agical,=20 or I would have suggested an approach different from ('s from the=20 start. 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