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dmarc=none X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.50 X-Spam-Score: -4.50 X-TUID: 1M4TDIQTSjAk --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everybody, Liliana Marie Prikler writes: > Am Mittwoch, dem 11.01.2023 um 23:31 +0100 schrieb zimoun: [...] >> I agree with Maxim=E2=80=99s arguments.=C2=A0 From my point of view, unr= ar-free >> respects FSDG =E2=80=93 and since it is present in Trisquel, I assume th= is >> understanding of FSDG is shared =E2=80=93 to some extent. I also agree with _both_ Maxim arguments: 1. unrar-free is FSDG compliant, and I cannot see how this can be defined "point of view" :-) 2. 'unrar-free' potentially steering users toward 'unrar' (non-free) cannot be used as an argument to refuse 'unrar-free' inclusion in Guix Liliana please reply to this two specific points, in particular please tell us if you judge 'unrar-free' not to be FSDG compliant >> Even, I would say the Liliana=E2=80=99s opposite argument: it liberates = user >> from the non-free unrar by offering a free alternative.=C2=A0 And it is >> the case for all the free re-implementations, no? > From my point of view, it really doesn't. [...] > But as it stands right now, I see it as little more than a piece of > software that makes people go "but how do I get the _real_ unrar?", (I don't understand "cue people": is it a misprint?) OK I think you explained this argument very well and this goes under point 2. above: 'unrar-free' potentially steering users toward 'unrar' non-free I'd say that all liberated versions of non-free software could make people go "how do I get the _real_ one", no? For example Guix distributed browsers are lacking EME implementation (no DRM loading) and some other non-free "extensions" giving problems to users trying to use certain web services; we have ungoogled-chromium and I know people asking "how do I get the real Chrome"? > cue people sending each other advice on a certain channel dedicated to > non-free software. So, if I understand your last point, the problem you see is that "unrar-free" (alone?) steers people to send each other advice on channels including non-free software: could this be a reason not to include a FSDG compliant software in Guix? ...or it's just it's name containing 'unrar'? 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