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Tue, 18 Jun 2024 14:05:32 -0400 (EDT) References: <20240618113717.4a6bad2b@fannys.me> <20240618193328.14f05913@fannys.me> User-agent: mu4e 1.8.13; emacs 28.2 From: Ian Eure To: guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 10:57:35 -0700 In-reply-to: Message-ID: <87y1723z4j.fsf@meson> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=103.168.172.147; envelope-from=ian@retrospec.tv; helo=fout4-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -7 X-Spam_score: -0.8 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URI_DOTEDU=1.999 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Spam-Score: -9.51 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 1F38972211 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx10.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.51 X-TUID: WRZJmjlLLPpU Hi Greg, Please read my earlier reply in this thread[1]. HuggingFace is demonstrably violating the licenses of the Free=20 Software used to train its StarCoder2 LLM. Software Heritage is continuing to partner with HuggingFace in=20 spite of these violations. Guix is continuing to partner with SWH in spite of their continued=20 support of these violations. Guix is indirectly enabling the violation of the license for the=20 Free Software it packages. Guix has the power to stop doing that.=20 What is your specific rationale for continuing to enable these=20 clear license violations? Thanks, =E2=80=94 Ian [1]:=20 https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2024-06/msg00195.html Greg Hogan writes: > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 12:33=E2=80=AFPM MSavoritias=20 > wrote: >> >> Ah it seems I wasn't clear enough. >> I meant write something like: >> >> By packaging a software project for Guix you are exposing said=20 >> software >> to a code harvesting project (also known as LLMs or "AI") run=20 >> by >> Software Heritage and/or their partners. Make sure you have=20 >> gotten >> fully informed consent and that the author of this package=20 >> fully >> understands what the implications are. >> >> Something like that. To make it clear that the package that is=20 >> about to >> be added to Guix is going to be harvested for the LLM models=20 >> Software >> Heritage decided to share the code with. >> >> Hope this is more clear. > > Free software licenses do not require bespoke consent to "to run=20 > the > program, to study and change the program in source code form, to > redistribute exact copies, and to distribute modified versions"=20 > (and > "Being free to do these things means (among other things) that=20 > you do > not have to ask or pay for permission to do so."). > > Your fear mongering against free software runs afoul of Guix=20 > project > guidelines ("In addition, the GNU distribution follow [sic] the=20 > free > software distribution guidelines. Among other things, these=20 > guidelines > reject non-free firmware, recommendations of non-free software,=20 > and > discuss ways to deal with trademarks and patents."). > > If you feel that LLMs/AI are violating the terms of a license,=20 > then > feel free to pursue that through the legal system (potentially=20 > very > profitable given the monetary penalties for violations of=20 > copyright). > Otherwise, we should be celebrating the users and use of free > software. I'm old enough to remember "Only wimps use tape=20 > backup: > _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the=20 > rest > of the world mirror it ;)" > [https://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9607.2/0292.html].