all messages for Guix-related lists mirrored at yhetil.org
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès)
To: Eric Bavier <ericbavier@openmailbox.org>
Cc: Help-Guix <help-guix-bounces+ericbavier=openmailbox.org@gnu.org>,
	help-guix@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [UX] real names exposed
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2016 10:59:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wpiwt2qx.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b38f200f5083ed65d1813e281f9e8cd0@openmailbox.org> (Eric Bavier's message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2016 18:33:53 -0500")

Eric Bavier <ericbavier@openmailbox.org> skribis:

> On 2016-08-31 18:11, Leo Famulari wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 02:25:49PM -0400, Troy Sankey wrote:
>>> I understand why this happens:
>>>
>>>   % khal --help
>>>   Usage: .khal-real [OPTIONS] COMMAND [ARGS]...
>>>   [...]
>>>
>>> but I think it sorta sucks for user experience.  Just thought I'd
>>> point this
>>> out, and I was wondering if there were any ideas to address this.
>>>
>>> Specifically, argv[0] references the name of the "real" executable,
>>> rather than
>>> the guix wrapper.  This is almost always benign, but it looks ugly
>>> in help
>>> menus.
>>
>> I wonder if the Khal author (Christian) intends for users to rename the
>> executable. Otherwise, why use argv[0]? Is it some side-effect of a
>> documentation tool used by Khal?
>>
>> I would understand if khal and ikhal were the same executable, and
>> behavior was changed based on argv[0], but that's not the case.
>>
>> It does look ugly.
>
> It's not just khal.  Most other executables and scripts that reference
> argv[0] or $0 end up with the *=real string.
>
> In our wrapper scripts, we pass -a to exec, which is supposed to
> address this issue, but for some reason it seems ineffective.

‘exec -a’ works as advertised:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ sh -c 'exec -a FOO guile -c "(pk (command-line))"'

;;; (("FOO"))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Yet:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ sh -c 'exec -a FOO /gnu/store/6vmniz83k46l8jpry50wdvwxsncz1r5w-khal-0.7.0/bin/.khal-wrap-01  --version'
.khal-real, version 0.7.0
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

And in fact:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ cat > t.py
import sys
print(sys.argv[0])
$ sh -c 'exec -a FOO python3 t.py'
t.py
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

… even though argv[0] is initially correct:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ sh -c 'exec -a FOO python3 --help' | head -1
usage: FOO [option] ... [-c cmd | -m mod | file | -] [arg] ...
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

So somewhere, Python finds out the real name, but it doesn’t seem to be
via /proc/cmdline or anything like that, and I couldn’t find the exact
hack in the source.

Ideas?

I would really like to fix it in ‘core-updates’.

Ludo’.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-09-01  8:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-31 18:25 [UX] real names exposed Troy Sankey
2016-08-31 23:11 ` Leo Famulari
2016-08-31 23:33   ` Eric Bavier
2016-09-01  8:59     ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2016-09-03 15:30       ` Troy Sankey
2016-09-03 22:21         ` Troy Sankey
2016-09-04 19:38           ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-09-03 22:33       ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-09-04 19:41         ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-09-06  3:09           ` Eric Bavier
2016-09-07 22:04             ` Ludovic Courtès

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=87wpiwt2qx.fsf@gnu.org \
    --to=ludo@gnu.org \
    --cc=ericbavier@openmailbox.org \
    --cc=help-guix-bounces+ericbavier=openmailbox.org@gnu.org \
    --cc=help-guix@gnu.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git

This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.