From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id y8uQCZge7l9KCQAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 18:55:20 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id 6IbhBJge7l96PgAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 18:55:20 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DCFA9404D2 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 18:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:50498 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kv36U-0003h9-GD for larch@yhetil.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 13:55:18 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37840) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kv36I-0003gw-Qf for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 13:55:06 -0500 Received: from mira.cbaines.net ([2a01:7e00:e000:2f8:fd4d:b5c7:13fb:3d27]:44153) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kv36G-0008IZ-HT for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 13:55:06 -0500 Received: from localhost (92.41.186.20.threembb.co.uk [92.41.186.20]) by mira.cbaines.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 729D227BC05; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 18:55:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from capella (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id c1a15e59; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 18:54:59 +0000 (UTC) References: User-agent: mu4e 1.4.13; emacs 27.1 From: Christopher Baines To: Josh Marshall Subject: Re: How would packaging Steam-proton games be received? In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 18:54:56 +0000 Message-ID: <87wnwx956n.fsf@cbaines.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:7e00:e000:2f8:fd4d:b5c7:13fb:3d27; envelope-from=mail@cbaines.net; helo=mira.cbaines.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.43 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8DCFA9404D2 X-Spam-Score: -3.43 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: Zaz4JrT3QyWY --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Josh Marshall writes: > Happy end of the forever year, everyone > > One thing I know that I have run into, and have heard so many times over > from those on Windows is how unstable or much of a hassle it can be to get > games to work. In the last few weeks, I spent ~20 hours just to this > hassle myself. Having everything included as a guix package would go a > very long way to resolving these instabilities, kicking most of the > problems down to just the kernel and kernel modules which is far more > constrained. This should make it easier to make not Windows more > palatable, but AGPL+DRM isn't exactly the most cozy of relationships. > Given this, would having these games as packages be permissible? Perfect > being the enemy of the good and all that. Hi Josh, I'm not quite sure what games/software you're referring to, can you clarify? In terms of Steam and Proton which you mention, as far as I'm aware, Steam is non-free software, so not suitable for Guix to distribute [1]. As for Proton, it might be free software, I'm unsure, so maybe that would be useful to package? 1: https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Software-Freedom.html Thanks, Chris --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKlBAEBCgCPFiEEPonu50WOcg2XVOCyXiijOwuE9XcFAl/uHoBfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDNF ODlFRUU3NDU4RTcyMEQ5NzU0RTBCMjVFMjhBMzNCMEI4NEY1NzcRHG1haWxAY2Jh aW5lcy5uZXQACgkQXiijOwuE9XfxcQ//Yyqz20rllqbwuslMAi9++IeQb/TeuW6e 4iFm/LAF+2UpYWKsAGjBu/PyIX6d9D+vuSAslr+yxG2u7TiuJilq4T/doxvuyUr1 mEqOnmUOC6nu6Fl31+P+HXzF6DJ4+mMvjnM6wF9by1EjeNzxCKlIipYMux29dEe2 jEqbeyKkz91zcS183fEcxT3dJ6VB7eRZXlXnC/jRLbRCMQT3CY7NQBUesItc8K0M 66XE4+hwuS+0CICHvqkS6B7Xd9lN2oG+hvWkrNFiaFam2sI+joX0kYz326cEA/2l XdjMhqDTqmNEZdJw5EtL9lEGTFqJQw55ebN/oEQuJLIl1diAqiQ2LwL3orF+BU0c D3J8Z5C75Ra3If3zaYdnMeqf/iOXqGgR8+Vg9duZnaswNYVAAoUhOs2Y5zMfo96+ PTVLlbTg6DO+QDJjs5hPfiSJK6DJFVCUk246NUTwrbpi1DQQiu0CDNf0IIZEvkrC /DIpSnhCB4Y8PtgHZ9lCBtGQKe+NYQM6f62ih1KQmgwxIZwx9PYie/5w41Ifo8Fq OwT3XJNdGuiegYK2urN3e+LkuM4XDH7902GASg6qsB4REY/D32Wv58Vut5zeYY40 E+Se0DWa/JdgL8J7xhf0ef+wJ+pitWYDKpA9OMzMt/vlHBuSIhqVHLV0NXuVKzHR VCMmY8ZsG9I= =A6rM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--