From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id aH66CWgWY2BcfwEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 14:15:36 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id +BnWA2gWY2CKTgAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 12:15:36 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AE001B2FC for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 14:15:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:56286 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lRDHS-0001Cm-M0 for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 08:15:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52184) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lRDEn-0008MV-AC for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 08:12:49 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36145) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lRDEl-0004v2-Rf; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 08:12:47 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=53708 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lRDEk-0001Kb-DV; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 08:12:47 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: =?utf-8?Q?L=C3=A9o?= Le Bouter Subject: Re: GNOME 40 work should be done on Savannah References: <0323e477b9226759445ad7c58bad134fcff4bc40.camel@zaclys.net> <878s67dmwn.fsf@netris.org> <878s669zqf.fsf@cbaines.net> <87eefx36ni.fsf@netris.org> <35efe3776747ef36d6eec350843428fa0abf22fd.camel@zaclys.net> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 10 Germinal an 229 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 14:12:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: <35efe3776747ef36d6eec350843428fa0abf22fd.camel@zaclys.net> (=?utf-8?Q?=22L=C3=A9o?= Le Bouter"'s message of "Tue, 30 Mar 2021 01:17:59 +0200") Message-ID: <87wntog7r7.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1617106535; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=VtVzRV9flUBff0rfsAuxDx7xg0MGpadKUPJTWOMBvEs=; b=OW2Tsj9ej0taur+ZvSK6/mgxiHksqgBSgOW6rli4kW4DWFQQKQO0cnTP8xI4WdYzDz9fSh PZEiIkLvWjvH7ejCkpo7Ees38fMjNMrbSW/qE9qKJyUnjIhnUUPUxDFEVgsXtqn94hewsb 81PayVGKkliqGZ+GsxH827f8Z28CYb6Fcv6rgr6m4/ktC+puNCHZ4GOowTY8/FNg7oF9ZO p8wH1ct/lX4vqY7zBhwpMi3MRTKPIqqYfgpmDSzTcg0mYAcXO5ay1LQuOJA6BBEen6yKCx D79CZRFuykiwdO91sfVppXB0rNVx8kRWObeewwlLD6heNsRu5clHgrmbSzF6Fg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1617106535; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Fh6Hu9YZs5d+/Q7XbbKDt3cHdgaHRoaODFfteokpCDVxoqQVJwmix+3+O6XgQz4Xc3w/aN C4VJtkBR2E0gX0g2pSeJIsVxyOhzRYptm0Y2vfwwNXm/RaJtQnFgKspfjEN46ln2v1DANr jRYNpy+VqO2XOKFlW7cu2h1sC537wQ0ZV6rLkcGNEoamSAuZUgpn19lIQh+8Pb0GnnwU5p AaFePFvOpVLBQc6xSETzKxBcG54R4taSL1SluYEEM/N2Rfh1ETVhwRz7oG6ENT5D1V029/ uC3OOR3auogEwQcRKVkw8Xsji9KoTEfX7btJMGjAxECwW/H2kze7tUnSuqqb1A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.92 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8AE001B2FC X-Spam-Score: -2.92 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: ErmuQfTdycny Hi L=C3=A9o, L=C3=A9o Le Bouter skribis: > I don't feel like people should be barred to contribute to that GNOME > 40 upgrade because they arent an approved committer. That doesnt feel > inclusive to me. I respectfully think you misunderstand the review process. Review is about sharing responsibilities and reducing the likelihood of mistakes. It=E2=80=99s crucial from many different perspectives: security-wise, socia= lly (the process is transparent, everyone gets a chance to chime in or to just see what=E2=80=99s cooking), and technically (we all learn and build b= etter software, and we reduce the risk that users receive broken software on their next =E2=80=98guix pull=E2=80=99). The process to get commit access is documented and it revolves around two criteria: the person must have experience with the project and must know the rules. That=E2=80=99s not =E2=80=9Cbureaucracy=E2=80=9D: it=E2=80=99s about buildi= ng a community around mutual understanding of what each one of us may or may not expect from their peers. All that said, it=E2=80=99s of course fine to collaborate on external repositories, even though I agree with Mark that getting =E2=80=9Ccloser=E2= =80=9D to Guix folks may be profitable to everyone. In the end, work should be submitted for review, and for a patch set like this, it=E2=80=99ll probably= be a =E2=80=98wip-=E2=80=99 branch on Savannah. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.