From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice via Bug reports for GNU Guix <bug-guix@gnu.org>
To: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com>
Cc: 56799@debbugs.gnu.org, attila@lendvai.name
Subject: bug#56799: (gnu services configuration) usage of *unspecified* is problematic
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:45:19 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wnbypepu@nckx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fsim8l17.fsf@gmail.com>
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Hi Maxim,
Maxim Cournoyer 写道:
> For some background reading, see [0].
Thanks for the well-thought-out reply, and sharing this
interesting link!
Now, it's just the musings of one person, but now I think I do
agree with (what I think is) the underlying vision: to hush up
*unspecified* and sneakily replace it with true nothingness. OK,
I can live with that. :-)
> I think the semantic of the language is that it is to be used as
> the
> lack of a return value from a procedure or syntax, e.g.:
>
> (unspecified? (if #f 'one-arm-if)) -> #t
Well… in the above context I'd hesitate to even imply ‘semantics’.
It's like undefined behaviour in C. Ascribe it meaning at your
peril. Otherwise, point taken.
> Having 'unspecified?' even defined in Guile seems to go against
> that
> idea; perhaps because Wingo themselves seems to disagree in [0].
Agreed. *This* was one of my reasons for supporting (field
*unspecified*), so it's nice to have it validated, even if it is
rejected.
> I'm also thinking 'unspecified being too close to *unspecified*
> is
> probably going to cause confusion down the line. Reverting to
> the
> originally used 'disabled may be the lesser evil.
Ah, here I can concentrate all my previous disagreement: hell no
:-)
It is the worstest evil; literally anything is better than
(enable-foo? 'disabled) defaulting to #t.
Bikeshed this all y'all want, but 'default or 'unset or 'whatever
are miles better.
Kind regards,
T G-R
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-07-27 18:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-07-27 16:23 bug#56799: (gnu services configuration) usage of *unspecified* is problematic Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-27 16:43 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2022-07-27 18:27 ` Attila Lendvai
2022-07-28 15:15 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-27 18:31 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-27 18:45 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice via Bug reports for GNU Guix [this message]
2022-07-27 19:09 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-27 19:45 ` bug#56799: [PATCH] services: configuration: Step back from *unspecified* Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-27 19:46 ` bug#56799: (gnu services configuration) usage of *unspecified* is problematic Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-27 20:20 ` bug#56799: [PATCH v2] gexp: Handle *unspecified* as a gexp input Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-27 21:43 ` Maxime Devos
2022-07-28 14:58 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-28 4:41 ` bug#56799: [PATCH v3] " Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-01 5:08 ` bug#56799: (gnu services configuration) usage of *unspecified* is problematic Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-01 10:00 ` Maxime Devos
2022-08-01 12:46 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-01 13:44 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-08-01 16:55 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-28 4:55 ` bokr
2022-07-28 10:26 ` Maxime Devos
2022-07-28 15:09 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-01 13:49 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-08-01 15:55 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-02 7:31 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-08-02 8:45 ` bokr
2022-08-02 15:06 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-04 12:19 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-08-07 22:44 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-08-08 22:27 ` Attila Lendvai
2022-08-08 23:35 ` Attila Lendvai
2022-08-10 2:17 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-10 3:26 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-11 10:15 ` Attila Lendvai
2022-08-13 6:31 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-13 16:47 ` Attila Lendvai
2022-08-14 2:57 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-16 14:00 ` Attila Lendvai
2022-08-17 13:16 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-17 16:00 ` paren--- via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2022-08-10 0:43 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-24 12:40 ` bug#56799: [PATCH 1/5] services: configuration: Add a 'maybe-value-set?' procedure Attila Lendvai
2022-08-24 12:40 ` bug#56799: [PATCH 2/5] services: configuration: Add %unset-value exported variable Attila Lendvai
2022-08-24 12:40 ` bug#56799: [PATCH 3/5] services: configuration: Add maybe-value exported procedure Attila Lendvai
2022-08-24 12:40 ` bug#56799: [PATCH 4/5] services: Use the new maybe/unset API Attila Lendvai
2022-08-25 4:18 ` bug#56799: (gnu services configuration) usage of *unspecified* is problematic Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-24 12:40 ` bug#56799: [PATCH 5/5] services: configuration: Change the value of the unset marker Attila Lendvai
2022-08-25 4:14 ` bug#56799: (gnu services configuration) usage of *unspecified* is problematic Maxim Cournoyer
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