Hi everyone, After looking a bit more into guix pull speed, or to be more precise the "Computing Guix derivation..." step, which is not substitutable. I've come to the conclusion that the thing that takes the majority of the time is loading the files that define the packages that the new Guix needs to build itself. These files are not compiled yet, and worse, loading just (gnu packages guile) ends up loading 361 other package files. You can generate a package graph in GraphML with `guix graph -t module -b graphml guile`, and use e.g. networkx to analyze it. You can compare with a compiled check-out of guix by just running the following in a `guix repl`: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (use-modules (guix self) (guix monad-repl)) ,run-in-store (guix-derivation (getcwd) "0.0-git" #:pull-version 1) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- which takes at most 5 seconds on my laptop. One idea I had was to move all the packages that are looked up in (guix self) to their own little bubble, to avoid having to load extra stuff. However, this is not currently possible because some of them do have non-trivial dependency graphs. I've identified these problematic inputs: guile-avahi guile-ssh guile-git guile-gnutls guix-daemon (it pulls in all other dependencies itself) po4a graphviz What could be done about this? Another solution would be to somehow build Guix without any of the dependencies and then add them in later, similar to what is done with build-aux/build-self.scm to be able to load (guix self) in the first place. That seems quite complex though. Best, -- Josselin Poiret