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From: Olivier Dion <olivier.dion@polymtl.ca>
To: Kaelyn <kaelyn.alexi@protonmail.com>, guix-devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 16:38:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wmpz8ede.fsf@laura> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <rtj9YLsLTYZEMdtufLqorh5X0mk_voKi1ByA55BdCEYgfucHCmwVPvGw9vC1kNPsI_ZALDdOOYC5U3tgk1kCiOlMO6gZrUHi3BUVacyeKgo=@protonmail.com>

On Mon, 18 Mar 2024, Kaelyn <kaelyn.alexi@protonmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, March 18th, 2024 at 2:28 AM, Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

>> That’s the double sword of “free software”. :-)
>
> Hi,
>
> I want to stress that I am not a lawyer, but my (possiblibly outdated)
> understanding of what machine learning models can and cannot do with
> regards to their training data, and a reading of parts of the GPL 2
> and 3, suggest that at best the SWH's LLM is in a legal grey area and
> at worst directly violates the license of GPL code that it ingests for
> training. As such, I don't think it is accurate to say "you cannot
> prevent people to use “your” free software for any purposes you
> dislike" in response to concerns about automatic inclusion of free
> software into LLM training sets. Specifically, my understanding (as of
> a few years ago) is that LLMs have difficulty tracing and atttributing
> various aspects of its training to specific inputs, which seems to be
> in violation of of e.g. Sections 5 and 6 of the GPL. Specific quotes
> from those sections https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.html:

I think that the larger point here is that you do not get to choose who
use your software and for what purpose.  That is the double edges sword
of free software.

Putting aside LLM for a moment, what if some package in Guix is used for
military purpose?  Will this software be removed from Guix because one
of its user uses it in some unethical way, even though it is also used
in an ethical way by others.  Will we penalized users for the sake of
moral high ground?

This raise the question, what is considered ethical and when does ethic
become political dogma?

[...]

-- 
Olivier Dion
oldiob.ca


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-03-18 20:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-16 15:52 Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive Ian Eure
2024-03-16 17:50 ` Christopher Baines
2024-03-16 18:24   ` MSavoritias
2024-03-16 19:08     ` Christopher Baines
2024-03-16 19:45     ` Tomas Volf
2024-03-17  7:06       ` MSavoritias
2024-03-16 19:06   ` Ian Eure
2024-03-16 19:49     ` Tomas Volf
2024-03-16 23:16   ` Vivien Kraus
2024-03-16 23:27     ` Tomas Volf
     [not found]     ` <EoCuAq3N681mOIAh7ptCyXiyscM9R0iPDBWId1eS4EbTJ2-ARWNfGuqtXIvmqcJNBl1SQvMM4X6-GiC5LiUv4TJv6J4ritPA3uZ2JBwkAzQ=@protonmail.com>
2024-03-16 23:40       ` Fw: " Ryan Prior
2024-03-16 17:58 ` MSavoritias
2024-03-18  9:50   ` Please hold your horses Simon Tournier
2024-03-16 21:37 ` Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive Ryan Prior
2024-03-17  9:39   ` Lars-Dominik Braun
2024-03-17  9:47     ` MSavoritias
2024-03-17 11:53       ` paul
2024-03-17 11:57         ` MSavoritias
2024-03-17 14:57           ` Richard Sent
2024-03-17 16:28           ` Ian Eure
2024-03-17 12:51         ` Tomas Volf
2024-03-17 23:56           ` Attila Lendvai
2024-03-20 15:25         ` contributor uuid (was Re: Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive) bae66428a8ad58eafaa98cb0ab2e512f045974ecf4bf947e32096fae574d99c6
2024-03-17 16:20       ` Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive Ian Eure
2024-03-17 16:55         ` MSavoritias
2024-03-18 14:04     ` pinoaffe
2024-03-17 13:03 ` Olivier Dion
2024-03-17 17:57 ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-03-20 17:22   ` the right to rewrite history to rectify the past (was Re: Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive) Giovanni Biscuolo
2024-03-21  6:12     ` MSavoritias
2024-03-21 10:49       ` Attila Lendvai
2024-03-21 11:51       ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2024-03-21 11:52       ` pinoaffe
2024-03-21 15:08         ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2024-03-21 15:11           ` MSavoritias
2024-03-21 22:11             ` Philip McGrath
2024-03-21 16:17           ` pinoaffe
2024-03-21 15:23       ` Hartmut Goebel
2024-03-21 15:27         ` MSavoritias
2024-03-21 15:54           ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2024-03-22  4:33           ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2024-03-21 16:18         ` Efraim Flashner
2024-03-21 16:23         ` pinoaffe
2024-03-18  9:28 ` Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive Simon Tournier
2024-03-18 11:47   ` MSavoritias
2024-03-18 13:12     ` Simon Tournier
2024-03-18 14:00       ` MSavoritias
2024-03-18 14:32         ` Simon Tournier
2024-03-18 16:27   ` Kaelyn
2024-03-18 17:39     ` Daniel Littlewood
2024-03-18 20:38     ` Olivier Dion [this message]
2024-03-18 19:38   ` Ian Eure
2024-03-18 22:02     ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-03-19 10:58     ` Simon Tournier
2024-03-19 15:37       ` Ian Eure
2024-03-18 11:14 ` Content-Addressed system and history? Simon Tournier
2024-04-20 18:48 ` Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive Ian Eure
2024-05-01 15:29   ` Ian Eure
2024-05-01 15:41     ` Tomas Volf
2024-05-02 10:28   ` Ludovic Courtès
2024-05-09 16:00     ` Maxim Cournoyer

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