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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-to: Cayetano Santos X-ACL-Warn: , Cayetano Santos via Guix-patches From: Cayetano Santos via Guix-patches via Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.57 X-Spam-Score: 0.57 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 61D9986829 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: sBhDtW9q97Qa >jeu. 07 nov. 2024 at 10:48, Suhail Singh wrote: > Cayetano Santos writes: > >>>> To note that this is a completely different beast compared to previous >>>> package (repo, version and mantainer). >>> >>> Yes. Please let me know in case the commit message needs to be revised >>> (it already does note that we are changing the referenced fork). The >>> previous fork hasn't been updated in a couple of years and had a number >>> of bugs that have since been resolved in the updated fork. >> >> To me, the open question goes well beyond this package. >> >> Does guix package forks of code from a couple of years ago, without an >> explicit acknowledgement between maintainers ? > > The maintainer has not been active on their own mailing list > () for a while despite > repeated discussions about outstanding issues ([1], [2]). I believe it > would be fair to characterize the original package as having been > abandoned. > > I'm CC-ing Xinglu Chen (the original author) to this email for > transparency. > >> Additionally, this is a second generation fork ... > > I am not sure I understand what you mean by "second generation" in this > regard. Could you please elaborate? > > If you're referring to the fact that it used another contributor's > (Mekeor) fork as a starting point, then for context please note that the > decision to treat my fork as "upstream" was in discussion with them > (since Mekeor's no longer actively using the package). > > I'm CC-ing Mekeor to this message for transparency. Yes, this is what I refer to. >> I=E2=80=99d say, better bring the question to guix-devel, as this has la= rge >> implications. There must be a policy already around this point. > > I'm CC-ing guix-devel. Thanks ! I=E2=80=99m just curious about whether guix has a policy concerning this ki= nd of situation, before reviewing your patch (#74231), as there might have consequences in the most general case. Namely, it is the case of patching a package definition, redirecting its source url to a fork by the patch=E2=80=99s author. Is that acceptable or a risk ? Is it up to the committer to evaluate, once being warned ? Something more explicit ? C. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.66 X-Spam-Score: -2.66 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 3FD287D247 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx13.migadu.com X-TUID: iJeWJIsvlBgw Message-ID: <20241107162001.7G0FEX40lPcSGeyOpUBVZLd7JNAz4Xd4cMNW06YfEbY@z> >jeu. 07 nov. 2024 at 10:48, Suhail Singh wrote: > Cayetano Santos writes: > >>>> To note that this is a completely different beast compared to previous >>>> package (repo, version and mantainer). >>> >>> Yes. Please let me know in case the commit message needs to be revised >>> (it already does note that we are changing the referenced fork). The >>> previous fork hasn't been updated in a couple of years and had a number >>> of bugs that have since been resolved in the updated fork. >> >> To me, the open question goes well beyond this package. >> >> Does guix package forks of code from a couple of years ago, without an >> explicit acknowledgement between maintainers ? > > The maintainer has not been active on their own mailing list > () for a while despite > repeated discussions about outstanding issues ([1], [2]). I believe it > would be fair to characterize the original package as having been > abandoned. > > I'm CC-ing Xinglu Chen (the original author) to this email for > transparency. > >> Additionally, this is a second generation fork ... > > I am not sure I understand what you mean by "second generation" in this > regard. Could you please elaborate? > > If you're referring to the fact that it used another contributor's > (Mekeor) fork as a starting point, then for context please note that the > decision to treat my fork as "upstream" was in discussion with them > (since Mekeor's no longer actively using the package). > > I'm CC-ing Mekeor to this message for transparency. Yes, this is what I refer to. >> I=E2=80=99d say, better bring the question to guix-devel, as this has la= rge >> implications. There must be a policy already around this point. > > I'm CC-ing guix-devel. Thanks ! I=E2=80=99m just curious about whether guix has a policy concerning this ki= nd of situation, before reviewing your patch (#74231), as there might have consequences in the most general case. Namely, it is the case of patching a package definition, redirecting its source url to a fork by the patch=E2=80=99s author. Is that acceptable or a risk ? Is it up to the committer to evaluate, once being warned ? Something more explicit ? C.