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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1661372855; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=JYLLads2YOk7gdAbgEGWhiRZN2hsTJhRyWnayDXiHLE=; b=XVO2Sq96KugT7tIZo7CYGmGWyx0Te0ViqNbtGb9wAITH6IpTS+xR9mgGvd6GldYLy/lqSb Cn7gNz+TT5rIDRj764eyhxWZdnwDOAKS9jWPJrxfVEPZdEkOtSpRgCMbKgEZd+FX9PN1I1 USXfrMTeje9g+lXRFGs/X9QAj9qbl22E45e7+LbC2m8yqQEmnKfU2YER0JuCT2SpgxC3np iah+T9yL6DCc4KnCxu8Z7Yz9EYfR0jKF9LsfH+iQFDaO0aTq1upFiJh9cGLJMDVDn0z0H0 swWXXmyPxW+irBJcn2V8OJFkpwFiQ+mptxpHxFW5/+CB0B2Vrfc3losdzIixWw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1661372855; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=iQgEU+vGQcCuGrPHOpDslOPOviVVOZjh/3UL9RErbRa3IPsjv/G2FXvWYQLP7NdMchh2QK 18sX/BYrImReM5jz7n71bKBMi9GU2bWRUSdMlAYxP20kRb9zvvc9jAU/yMMc5lofsm9wUv WokI/DnBYkZ0NVak1ff2opkKynkYUTj62pVHN7FQN6QuIeOq3t1XS5eVs1QKuAF971Mt0M 6KS8OXA7mSYVi1y8LImyESfEcQakD+90RRMY5Xhdm7uMe1haDGJvDDFlPyLZMkPdjFQafm cmrXvjuVXYv+o2ZaEFnf+SNfvG5xiaClLyqwXVHfs1a2W3WkjJiyKxTR77Elyw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=Ui2CquBE; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.81 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=Ui2CquBE; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 095F13E6CE X-Spam-Score: -3.81 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: o5arR3l7X+sh Hi Liliana, (I have no opinion about this topic.) Your quote is: >> The data included in the source package represents the preferred form >> for modifications. >> If they were licensed under the G P L it would fail the "preferred >> form of modification" requirement but from the mentioned link [1], the quote includes a _but_: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- If t= hey were licensed under the G P L it would fail the "preferred form of modification" requirement, but its BSD-like license grants you all the necessary rights to modify, use and distribute them. . While there likely was, once upon a time, a custom set of tools to create = this game data, those tools do not exist any more. The original creators of the game are in the same situation as Debian's users when it comes to modifications. . Also, the reason for requiring the "preferred form for modification" is to= not put the creator of the software/data in a "monopoly" situation. This isn't= the case here. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > As far as I'm concerned, "preferred form of modification" should not be > dependant upon the license in question. Speaking of the license in > question, it's prohibition of selling is nowhere mentioned. My understanding of the Debian argument is: 1. the licence is BSD-like respecting the Debian Free Software Guidelines 2. point #3 of DFSG [2] says =C2=ABThe license must allow modifications and derived works, and must allow them to be distributed under the same terms as the license of the original software.=C2=BB 3. considering game data, all people are equals =E2=80=93 from original au= thor to users =E2=80=93 because the tool set for modifying these game data does= not exist anymore Therefore, drascula is part of the =E2=80=99main=E2=80=99 Debian archive, s= cummvm too. Tobias wrote [3]: Either the inclusion of [a subset of] Drascula in Trisquel[0] is a similar oversight, or we're missing some legal subtlety. so maybe some legal subtlety is indeed missed. Let wait an answer by FSF licensing department=E2=80=A6 if any. :-) =20 1: 2: 3: Cheers, simon