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Resent-From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 18:10:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 72314 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: sirgazil@zoho.com Cc: Timothy Sample , 72314@debbugs.gnu.org, Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli , Vagrant Cascadian , Simon Tournier Received: via spool by 72314-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B72314.172236294614692 (code B ref 72314); Tue, 30 Jul 2024 18:10:01 +0000 Received: (at 72314) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2024 18:09:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48376 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sYrHV-0003ou-Mx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:09:06 -0400 Received: from relay.yourmailgateway.de ([188.68.63.98]:33875) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sYrHR-0003oN-P1 for 72314@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:09:04 -0400 Received: from mors-relay-2501.netcup.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mors-relay-2501.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4WYNWy0mz6z61Q7; Tue, 30 Jul 2024 20:08:46 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=pelzflorian.de; s=key2; t=1722362926; bh=JH0bk+SMX6KBRzhneJ8GMNG3jdg4I2KEV7gwdv4lbh8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=e6UZRHPGFVBKNMh3De3K1dJcFVnAwCJ9jIUs1QdEJLvaGWpaX8+STsvEOM0Gttho7 4A75TRYPcSXBw9JBr2n3EutjQ1tPRRdWjCyBycUlDCBPIQeLe0vP7fXv6/VuAx4ULK hdTZEc9gpCx2mO0lB/ASt7641GVLTjtwyjoT2WtDidtUEmmKzW7rmrRKLIBsfWmy1B Rfa93wDeKoXAYSLfbndZQ5GfAMGLY0iG4hnGaHjDz4irWQZrciPVWP8YRwgOX60O+G XMgAHSewSXTIJiGN+zmhsquMlRrAlIS0MTdpWvzmdOapgV5Bu2hB25TLgZ1xB56cYC NNFTqjjVYS6lQ== Received: from policy01-mors.netcup.net (unknown [46.38.225.35]) by mors-relay-2501.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4WYNWy03Swz4xFp; Tue, 30 Jul 2024 20:08:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at policy01-mors.netcup.net Received: from mxe217.netcup.net (unknown [10.243.12.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by policy01-mors.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4WYNWw3mhDz8tXF; Tue, 30 Jul 2024 20:08:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from florianhp (ipb2186896.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de [178.24.104.150]) by mxe217.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CB88D83FCC; Tue, 30 Jul 2024 20:08:34 +0200 (CEST) From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" In-Reply-To: <874j86zy9w.fsf@pelzflorian.de> (pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de's message of "Tue, 30 Jul 2024 17:37:31 +0200") References: <20240726212406.26104-1-sirgazil@zoho.com> <20240729171808.30569-1-sirgazil@zoho.com> <874j86zy9w.fsf@pelzflorian.de> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 20:08:34 +0200 Message-ID: <87v80mhhwd.fsf@pelzflorian.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: CB88D83FCC X-Rspamd-Server: rspamd-worker-8404 X-NC-CID: sSSozNe4HPcZradXEG0xmpFSHHRCVnmHEjHJj51/c1B2pGnuvxI/kqhY X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.96 X-Spam-Score: -5.96 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E968B7FDC4 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx11.migadu.com X-TUID: TRY+YaxEpSE2 A blocking issue, one of your slogans says: "Get the same environment 50 years later". Guix stood back from this claim so far, although it is the goal and there is the attempt to preserve. Could you, Luis, in a new version of the patch add an asterisk that preserving likely will work but not always and we cannot guarantee this yet? Cc to others for opinions. To quote [1]: *The vision* First of all, one clarification: Guix aims to support time travel, but we=E2=80=99re talking of a time scale measured in years, not in decades. We know all too well that this is already very ambitious=E2=80=94i= t=E2=80=99s something that probably nobody except Nix and Guix are even trying. More importantly, software deployment at the scale of decades calls for very different, more radical techniques; it=E2=80=99s the work of archivists. /End quote. We could make the confusing claim that Guix helps you ship source code needed for building, which Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli kind of does for GPL license compliance reasons [2], but Guix provides a --sources option to find the sources only for packages and not system images. Shipping sources is possible, but not easy and not the goal. You have a hard time testing and /etc/hosts blocking network access. Cc to Simon, Timothy and Vagrant, who are involved with reproducible builds, and Denis who asked [2] mentioned above. Regards, Florian [1] https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2024/adventures-on-the-quest-for-long-term-re= producible-deployment/ [2] Thread: https://yhetil.org/guix-user/20240523020925.1cb0bb2c@primary_laptop/ Individual messages: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2024-05/msg00151.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2024-07/msg00037.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2024-07/msg00069.html