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From: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
To: Mathieu Othacehe <othacehe@gnu.org>
Cc: 52533@debbugs.gnu.org, Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com>
Subject: bug#52533: guix deploy breaks SSH access with a PAM error
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 16:04:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tue77k40.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r19bom0r.fsf@gnu.org> (Mathieu Othacehe's message of "Thu, 13 Jan 2022 13:31:00 +0100")

Hi,

Mathieu Othacehe <othacehe@gnu.org> skribis:

>> This sounds a lot like this:
>>
>>   https://issues.guix.gnu.org/32182#1
>
> I was just kicked out of my own server due to this PAM/SSH issue. It
> happens quite frequently here. Time for a fix :).

Note that ‘guix deploy’ now opens a single SSH session, starting from
7f20e59a13a6acc3331e04185b8f1ed2538dcd0a, which might help mitigate the
problem.

> Regarding the two potential solutions that you proposed in 2018, are
> they still actual? If yes, I could maybe try to implement the second
> suggestion: introducing service chain-loading.

Service chain-loading was implemented in the Shepherd a few years ago.
However, it doesn’t really help; consider these two scenario:

  • You do ‘guix system reconfigure && herd restart term-tty1’.  In that
    case, all is good: ‘term-tty1’, will run the new ‘mingetty’ process
    (post-glibc upgrade, thanks to service chain-loading) and ‘login’
    will happily load the .so files listed in /etc/pam.d/login (also
    post-glibc upgrade).

  • You run ‘guix system reconfigure’ but do not restart ‘term-tty1’,
    ‘sshd’, and all the other services that depend on PAM: these
    pre-glibc upgrade programs will try dlopening the post-glibc upgrade
    PAM plugins, which will break.

The crux of the problem rather is the global /etc/pam.d: it’s valid for
pre-glibc upgrade programs, or for post-glibc upgrade programs, but not
both.

FHS distros have a similar problem though; how do they handle it?  Do
they force services to be restarted when glibc is upgraded, or something
along these lines?

In our case, suppose libpam honors $PAM_DIRECTORY; we could tweak each
PAM-using Shepherd service (login, sshd, etc.) so that it sets
PAM_DIRECTORY… but how would we get the PAM_DIRECTORY value for the OS
being configured?  Tricky!

We could maybe sidestep the issue altogether with socket-activated
services: they’d be started on-demand, so the second scenario above
would be unlikely.  But getting there is quite a bit of work…

Ludo’.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-01-13 15:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-16  4:45 bug#52533: guix deploy breaks SSH access with a PAM error Maxim Cournoyer
2021-12-16  5:27 ` bug#52533: [PATCH] " Maxim Cournoyer
2021-12-16 15:02 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-01-13 12:31   ` Mathieu Othacehe
2022-01-13 12:38     ` Mathieu Othacehe
2022-01-13 15:04     ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2022-01-13 16:45       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-01-17 13:25         ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-01-17 15:19           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-01-17 16:13             ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-01-18  4:33               ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-01-18 11:27                 ` Ludovic Courtès

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