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Tue, 18 Jun 2024 14:13:34 -0400 (EDT) References: User-agent: mu4e 1.8.13; emacs 28.2 From: Ian Eure To: guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Next Steps For the Software Heritage Problem Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 11:08:19 -0700 In-reply-to: Message-ID: <87tthq3yr5.fsf@meson> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=103.168.172.147; envelope-from=ian@retrospec.tv; helo=fout4-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8641516AA0 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx13.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.06 X-Spam-Score: -9.06 X-TUID: pmbN2EcsJ9kI Guix sends archive requests to SWH. SWH gives that source code to=20 HuggingFace. HuggingFace demonstrably violates the licenses. Guix could stop sending archive requests to SWH. This wouldn=E2=80=99t=20 *stop* the bad things from happening, but it would *stop=20 condoning* them. The same as how Guix not allowing non-free=20 software doesn=E2=80=99t stop people from running it, but doesn=E2=80=99t c= ondone=20 it. Please read my replies in this thread, and the earlier=20 "Concerns/questions around Software Heritage Archive" one. I have=20 outlined the situation, repeatedly, with references. Thanks, =E2=80=94 Ian Andy Tai writes: > What is the role of GNU Guix in this? If Guix is mainly a=20 > referral > mechanism like web page links to the actual contents, the real=20 > problem > is not Guix but the use of free software which can be obtained=20 > via > other mechanisms directly anyway to train LLMs if Guix is not in=20 > the > loop?