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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Queue-Id: BE02760367 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.71 X-Spam-Score: -9.71 X-TUID: U3R93/yll3Sm Hi MSavoritias, This message is not to cut any discussion but maybe it could be helpful or a bit saner if you refrain to rehash again and again the same to all messages, replying the same (or almost) to each person expressing different opinions. No blame, and I also include myself: being very enthusiastic to defend ideas and values. However, a storm of replies is maybe not the best mean to achieve such defense. :-) I think people got your points and your opinion, quickly summarized as: 1. SWH broke =E2=80=9Cimplicit social rules=E2=80=9D, 2. Because of that, Guix must make a clear public =E2=80=9Cpressure=E2=80= =9D against SWH. Let look how the thread looks like: https://yhetil.org/guix/87a5jfjoey.fsf@gmail.com/T/#rc72a0743026006ee9d4758= cfa794df42a9964a55 (or this other one: https://yhetil.org/guix/87il1mupco.fsf@meson/#r) Then, for what my humble point of view is worth here, I think that your opinion is maybe not the consensus. Obviously, the discussion is still open and your opinion is welcome =E2=80=93 yeah obviously welcome! =E2=80= =93 but maybe not by replying to all, each time. You are advocating for a safe place, right? From my eyes, when I see the structure of the thread, it does not generate a safe place where collaboration is encouraged. My feeling, when I do a step back and look to the structure of the thread, is that some opinions are silent because it=E2=80=99s hard to have = the space to express them. Sometimes, a breath is helpful. Somehow, FWIW, I suggest you to let the discussion aside, then some days later read again some messages, try to differently understand what other peers are trying to express, and comment to few on a fresh mindset. All opinions are very welcome. We are all here because we value Free Software, community, people, etc. and not necessary in that order. And that=E2=80=99s very important to be able to express all the diversity. Again, this message is not a mean to cut any discussion. Instead, this message is a call to slow down. :-) WDYT? Cheers, simon