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Namely, it is the case of > patching a package definition, redirecting its source url to a fork by > the patch=E2=80=99s author. > > Is that acceptable or a risk ? Is it up to the committer to evaluate, > once being warned ? Something more explicit ? Changing origins is inevitable sometimes. I don=E2=80=99t think there=E2=80= =99s a formal process; it=E2=80=99s more of a matter of judgment on a case-by-case basis.= The [general guidelines on consensus-based decision making] certainly apply. In this case, it seems the original maintainer has been absent for several years, there are active requests for a fork (see [any takers for a fork? =E2=80=94 sourcehut lists]), and Suhail has made [substantial tidyi= ng] over several weeks. Given these circumstances, and Suhail=E2=80=99s [established presence] as a contributor, the fact that he is both the author of the patch and the fork is not concerning to me. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx11.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 1.58 X-Spam-Score: 1.58 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: BE7A28126E X-TUID: /GmEv+Yj6kBn Message-ID: <20241111024513.vtrL8sXRNQnJQL5yMK9bEXva4_VOCF0QqHNbCrkzXYQ@z> --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cayetano Santos via Guix-patches via writes: > I=E2=80=99m just curious about whether guix has a policy concerning this = kind of > situation, before reviewing your patch (#74231), as there might have > consequences in the most general case. Namely, it is the case of > patching a package definition, redirecting its source url to a fork by > the patch=E2=80=99s author. > > Is that acceptable or a risk ? Is it up to the committer to evaluate, > once being warned ? Something more explicit ? Changing origins is inevitable sometimes. I don=E2=80=99t think there=E2=80= =99s a formal process; it=E2=80=99s more of a matter of judgment on a case-by-case basis.= The [general guidelines on consensus-based decision making] certainly apply. In this case, it seems the original maintainer has been absent for several years, there are active requests for a fork (see [any takers for a fork? =E2=80=94 sourcehut lists]), and Suhail has made [substantial tidyi= ng] over several weeks. Given these circumstances, and Suhail=E2=80=99s [established presence] as a contributor, the fact that he is both the author of the patch and the fork is not concerning to me. So +1 from me (as a user of the Guix package) for what it=E2=80=99s worth. =E2=80=94Liam [general guidelines on consensus-based decision making] [any takers for a fork? =E2=80=94 sourcehut lists] [substantial tidying] [established presence] --=-=-=--