[outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[Laura Lazzati]

Hi everyone!

I don't know if is it OK to be telling you what I am/ I've been doing
these days, I kind of like doing so to have feedback, and also to let
you know

I installed guix on a VM with an Ubuntu distro and it worked fine - i
ran some basic commands.
 I am trying to install GuixSD over that VM too and on bare metal -
don't know if this two steps are necessary, but looking at the tasks
for Outreachy one items says that I will be doing documentation for
it.
I also read the tutorial in http://guix-hpc-bordeaux.inria.fr, the
documentation about defining packages - I am in process of studying
how to do so. And I have the following questions:
1) should I write, at least for myself, the problems I've been
encountering in the whole process of doing everything?
2) When a suggestion for a contribution is writing an R package, you
mean the R programming language?

Regards!

Re: [outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[Björn Höfling]

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Hi Laura,

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:08:44 -0300
Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone!
> 
> I don't know if is it OK to be telling you what I am/ I've been doing
> these days, I kind of like doing so to have feedback, and also to let
> you know

This is exactly the way to go! It's good to hear where you stay, what
you tried, where you succeeded, where you got stuck. If you get stuck,
tell us about the paths you already tried out and why you don't get
further alone.

One thing that was today on the Outreachy mentors-mailinglist: If you
finally made a contribution, please go directly on the Outreachy
project page, select the Guix project and formally record your
contributions. That's important to us and for the whole Outreachy
project to see who/how many applicants are possible candidates for a
project.

 
> I installed guix on a VM with an Ubuntu distro and it worked fine - i
> ran some basic commands.
>  I am trying to install GuixSD over that VM too and on bare metal -
> don't know if this two steps are necessary, but looking at the tasks
> for Outreachy one items says that I will be doing documentation for
> it.

Concerning bare metal: Guix uses 100% Free Software und thus uses the
libre kernel, not the normal vanilla kernel. That means some binaries
included in the vanilla kernel are stripped off. Hickups might occur,
especially with Network, WLAN and Graphics, compared to Ubuntu. 

As always before installing a new OS, make backups of your data and
configurations on that machine!

> 1) should I write, at least for myself, the problems I've been
> encountering in the whole process of doing everything?

Yes, very good! I do that for myself too. It leads to good, reproducible
bug reports, bug fixes, documentation fixes, blog entries and could also
be used as a starting point for a screenplay for the videos.

Björn

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Re: [outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[Laura Lazzati]

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:17 PM Björn Höfling
<bjoern.hoefling@bjoernhoefling.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Laura,
>
> On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:08:44 -0300
> Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone!
> >
> > I don't know if is it OK to be telling you what I am/ I've been doing
> > these days, I kind of like doing so to have feedback, and also to let
> > you know
>
> This is exactly the way to go! It's good to hear where you stay, what
> you tried, where you succeeded, where you got stuck. If you get stuck,
> tell us about the paths you already tried out and why you don't get
> further alone.
>
Sorry for being absent for a day. After updating and upgrading my
computer, I am stuck trying to see why the sound stopped working. Yes,
this kind of thinks happen but just now?

> One thing that was today on the Outreachy mentors-mailinglist: If you
> finally made a contribution, please go directly on the Outreachy
> project page, select the Guix project and formally record your
> contributions. That's important to us and for the whole Outreachy
> project to see who/how many applicants are possible candidates for a
> project.
>
>
> > I installed guix on a VM with an Ubuntu distro and it worked fine - i
> > ran some basic commands.
> >  I am trying to install GuixSD over that VM too and on bare metal -
> > don't know if this two steps are necessary, but looking at the tasks
> > for Outreachy one items says that I will be doing documentation for
> > it.
>
> Concerning bare metal: Guix uses 100% Free Software und thus uses the
> libre kernel, not the normal vanilla kernel. That means some binaries
> included in the vanilla kernel are stripped off. Hickups might occur,
> especially with Network, WLAN and Graphics, compared to Ubuntu.
>
I thought that by installing bare metal ment installing it on a VM
without any operating system. I mean, putting the ISO there. I only
have one retro PC available with no OS where I could be trying that -
it is like 13 years old, and it is not a laptop.
> As always before installing a new OS, make backups of your data and
> configurations on that machine!
>
> > 1) should I write, at least for myself, the problems I've been
> > encountering in the whole process of doing everything?
>
> Yes, very good! I do that for myself too. It leads to good, reproducible
> bug reports, bug fixes, documentation fixes, blog entries and could also
> be used as a starting point for a screenplay for the videos.
Love doing this kind of things.
>
> Björn

Re: [outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[Gábor Boskovits]

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Hello Laura,

Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt.
10., Sze 18:41):

> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:17 PM Björn Höfling
> <bjoern.hoefling@bjoernhoefling.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Laura,
> >
> > On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:08:44 -0300
> > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone!
> > >
> > > I don't know if is it OK to be telling you what I am/ I've been doing
> > > these days, I kind of like doing so to have feedback, and also to let
> > > you know
> >
> > This is exactly the way to go! It's good to hear where you stay, what
> > you tried, where you succeeded, where you got stuck. If you get stuck,
> > tell us about the paths you already tried out and why you don't get
> > further alone.
> >
> Sorry for being absent for a day. After updating and upgrading my
> computer, I am stuck trying to see why the sound stopped working. Yes,
> this kind of thinks happen but just now?
>

No worries, one day off is perfectly ok, however if you did not get an
answer in 3 or 4 days, then please contact us, since in that case there is
some communications mistake.
Last time losing sound happened to me after a dist-upgrade in ubuntu, and
turned out, that the pulseaudio package shipped with a configuration that
was not compatible with the version of the binaries supplied. I ran it in
the foreground, and in the startup messages or in the log I found that it
could not parse the config. It can be something entirely different though.
I hope this helps.

>
> > One thing that was today on the Outreachy mentors-mailinglist: If you
> > finally made a contribution, please go directly on the Outreachy
> > project page, select the Guix project and formally record your
> > contributions. That's important to us and for the whole Outreachy
> > project to see who/how many applicants are possible candidates for a
> > project.
> >
> >
> > > I installed guix on a VM with an Ubuntu distro and it worked fine - i
> > > ran some basic commands.
> > >  I am trying to install GuixSD over that VM too and on bare metal -
> > > don't know if this two steps are necessary, but looking at the tasks
> > > for Outreachy one items says that I will be doing documentation for
> > > it.
> >
> > Concerning bare metal: Guix uses 100% Free Software und thus uses the
> > libre kernel, not the normal vanilla kernel. That means some binaries
> > included in the vanilla kernel are stripped off. Hickups might occur,
> > especially with Network, WLAN and Graphics, compared to Ubuntu.
> >
> I thought that by installing bare metal ment installing it on a VM
> without any operating system. I mean, putting the ISO there. I only
> have one retro PC available with no OS where I could be trying that -
> it is like 13 years old, and it is not a laptop.
>

It is ok to skip that all together, a VM install is more than enough for
now.

> As always before installing a new OS, make backups of your data and
> > configurations on that machine!
> >
> > > 1) should I write, at least for myself, the problems I've been
> > > encountering in the whole process of doing everything?
> >
> > Yes, very good! I do that for myself too. It leads to good, reproducible
> > bug reports, bug fixes, documentation fixes, blog entries and could also
> > be used as a starting point for a screenplay for the videos.
> Love doing this kind of things.
> >
> > Björn
>
Best regards,
g_bor

>

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Re: [outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[Laura Lazzati]

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:12 PM Gábor Boskovits <boskovits@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello Laura,
>
> Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 10., Sze 18:41):
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:17 PM Björn Höfling
>> <bjoern.hoefling@bjoernhoefling.de> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Laura,
>> >
>> > On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:08:44 -0300
>> > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi everyone!
>> > >
>> > > I don't know if is it OK to be telling you what I am/ I've been doing
>> > > these days, I kind of like doing so to have feedback, and also to let
>> > > you know
>> >
>> > This is exactly the way to go! It's good to hear where you stay, what
>> > you tried, where you succeeded, where you got stuck. If you get stuck,
>> > tell us about the paths you already tried out and why you don't get
>> > further alone.
>> >
>> Sorry for being absent for a day. After updating and upgrading my
>> computer, I am stuck trying to see why the sound stopped working. Yes,
>> this kind of thinks happen but just now?
>
>
> No worries, one day off is perfectly ok, however if you did not get an answer in 3 or 4 days, then please contact us, since in that case there is some communications mistake.
> Last time losing sound happened to me after a dist-upgrade in ubuntu, and turned out, that the pulseaudio package shipped with a configuration that was not compatible with the version of the binaries supplied. I ran it in the foreground, and in the startup messages or in the log I found that it could not parse the config. It can be something entirely different though. I hope this helps.

Thanks :) Unluckily i made a mistake and ended up needing  a fresh
install. But I am the kind of person that always has data backup and
is aware of the software and utilities that needs. Tomorrow I will go
on with my VMs, the one with only Guix, and one with GuixSD and start
with the package stuff, so that I can contribute as much as I can,
even if I am not chosen for outreachy.
>>
>>
>> > One thing that was today on the Outreachy mentors-mailinglist: If you
>> > finally made a contribution, please go directly on the Outreachy
>> > project page, select the Guix project and formally record your
>> > contributions. That's important to us and for the whole Outreachy
>> > project to see who/how many applicants are possible candidates for a
>> > project
If I do the R packaging, where do I record in Guix? And I am keeping
my daily journal with the problems I encounter, but I am not very sure
about where to upload it for Guix. As regards my daily journal. is it
OK to hace it in Google Drive? I know its FOSS, but it's a good way of
easily updating the doc and having it accesible. And in outreachy it
says that Refining current documentation is a contribution too. I
don't know if this applies also to problems I encounter and how I
managed to solve them.

See the "Application Setup" section in the manual, for more info.





>> >
>> >
>> > > I installed guix on a VM with an Ubuntu distro and it worked fine - i
>> > > ran some basic commands.
>> > >  I am trying to install GuixSD over that VM too and on bare metal -
>> > > don't know if this two steps are necessary, but looking at the tasks
>> > > for Outreachy one items says that I will be doing documentation for
>> > > it.
>> >
>> > Concerning bare metal: Guix uses 100% Free Software und thus uses the
>> > libre kernel, not the normal vanilla kernel. That means some binaries
>> > included in the vanilla kernel are stripped off. Hickups might occur,
>> > especially with Network, WLAN and Graphics, compared to Ubuntu.
>> >
>> I thought that by installing bare metal ment installing it on a VM
>> without any operating system. I mean, putting the ISO there. I only
>> have one retro PC available with no OS where I could be trying that -
>> it is like 13 years old, and it is not a laptop.
>
>
> It is ok to skip that all together, a VM install is more than enough for now.
>
>> > As always before installing a new OS, make backups of your data and
>> > configurations on that machine!
>> >
>> > > 1) should I write, at least for myself, the problems I've been
>> > > encountering in the whole process of doing everything?
>> >
>> > Yes, very good! I do that for myself too. It leads to good, reproducible
>> > bug reports, bug fixes, documentation fixes, blog entries and could also
>> > be used as a starting point for a screenplay for the videos.
>> Love doing this kind of things.
>> >
>> > Björn
>
> Best regards,
> g_bor

Re: [outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[Gábor Boskovits]

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Hello Laura,

Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt.
11., Cs, 3:25):
>
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:12 PM Gábor Boskovits <boskovits@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello Laura,
> >
> > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018.
okt. 10., Sze 18:41):
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:17 PM Björn Höfling
> >> <bjoern.hoefling@bjoernhoefling.de> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi Laura,
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:08:44 -0300
> >> > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hi everyone!
> >> > >
> >> > > I don't know if is it OK to be telling you what I am/ I've been
doing
> >> > > these days, I kind of like doing so to have feedback, and also to
let
> >> > > you know
> >> >
> >> > This is exactly the way to go! It's good to hear where you stay, what
> >> > you tried, where you succeeded, where you got stuck. If you get
stuck,
> >> > tell us about the paths you already tried out and why you don't get
> >> > further alone.
> >> >
> >> Sorry for being absent for a day. After updating and upgrading my
> >> computer, I am stuck trying to see why the sound stopped working. Yes,
> >> this kind of thinks happen but just now?
> >
> >
> > No worries, one day off is perfectly ok, however if you did not get an
answer in 3 or 4 days, then please contact us, since in that case there is
some communications mistake.
> > Last time losing sound happened to me after a dist-upgrade in ubuntu,
and turned out, that the pulseaudio package shipped with a configuration
that was not compatible with the version of the binaries supplied. I ran it
in the foreground, and in the startup messages or in the log I found that
it could not parse the config. It can be something entirely different
though. I hope this helps.
>
> Thanks :) Unluckily i made a mistake and ended up needing  a fresh
> install. But I am the kind of person that always has data backup and
> is aware of the software and utilities that needs. Tomorrow I will go
> on with my VMs, the one with only Guix, and one with GuixSD and start
> with the package stuff, so that I can contribute as much as I can,
> even if I am not chosen for outreachy.

Sorry to hear that, but glad that you did not suffer any data loss.
Having the VMs back by tomorrow is nice, thanks for the update.

> >>
> >>
> >> > One thing that was today on the Outreachy mentors-mailinglist: If you
> >> > finally made a contribution, please go directly on the Outreachy
> >> > project page, select the Guix project and formally record your
> >> > contributions. That's important to us and for the whole Outreachy
> >> > project to see who/how many applicants are possible candidates for a
> >> > project
> If I do the R packaging, where do I record in Guix? And I am keeping
> my daily journal with the problems I encounter, but I am not very sure
> about where to upload it for Guix. As regards my daily journal. is it
> OK to hace it in Google Drive? I know its FOSS, but it's a good way of
> easily updating the doc and having it accesible. And in outreachy it
> says that Refining current documentation is a contribution too. I
> don't know if this applies also to problems I encounter and how I
> managed to solve them.
>

If you have a working package, and you followed the contribution guide, you
got to the part
where you can send your patch. The debbugs issue tracker creates an issue
for the patches
sent to guix-patches@gnu.org. These patches are then reviewed, we will give
you feedback,
and when it is in a shape to include it in guix, we will accept it,
upstream the changes and close
the issue. This completes the contibution. Then you will have to record
this on the Outreachy site.
https://www.outreachy.org/apply/
 in this point:
4. Record in-progress contributions on the Outreachy website
<https://www.outreachy.org/apply/project-selection/>. You'll need to go to
the community landing page linked from the projects listing page
<https://www.outreachy.org/apply/project-selection/>. Then click the
'Record Contribution' button. Add links and descriptions to your
contributions and the project timeline before the application deadline. You
can always go back and edit your recorded contributions. A contribution
doesn't have to be merged or accepted to be recorded.
describes the process.
Note that you can record the contibution while it is still in progress.

You can get faster responses if you CC your mentors to the message sent to
guix-patches, so that we can notice the incoming patch.

For now I suggest sending the notes with the difficulties encountered in a
mail to the devel list, accompanied with suggestions on how to clarify the
relevant parts of the documentation. Documentation changes tend to take
longer, as it usually involves community discussion, but you can get this
started. You can keep your private copy of these on google drive, and it is
possible to create a git repo somewhere to keep track of a file with these,
preferably an org mode text document.
WDYT?


> See the "Application Setup" section in the manual, for more info.
>
>
>
>
>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > I installed guix on a VM with an Ubuntu distro and it worked fine
- i
> >> > > ran some basic commands.
> >> > >  I am trying to install GuixSD over that VM too and on bare metal -
> >> > > don't know if this two steps are necessary, but looking at the
tasks
> >> > > for Outreachy one items says that I will be doing documentation for
> >> > > it.
> >> >
> >> > Concerning bare metal: Guix uses 100% Free Software und thus uses the
> >> > libre kernel, not the normal vanilla kernel. That means some binaries
> >> > included in the vanilla kernel are stripped off. Hickups might occur,
> >> > especially with Network, WLAN and Graphics, compared to Ubuntu.
> >> >
> >> I thought that by installing bare metal ment installing it on a VM
> >> without any operating system. I mean, putting the ISO there. I only
> >> have one retro PC available with no OS where I could be trying that -
> >> it is like 13 years old, and it is not a laptop.
> >
> >
> > It is ok to skip that all together, a VM install is more than enough
for now.
> >
> >> > As always before installing a new OS, make backups of your data and
> >> > configurations on that machine!
> >> >
> >> > > 1) should I write, at least for myself, the problems I've been
> >> > > encountering in the whole process of doing everything?
> >> >
> >> > Yes, very good! I do that for myself too. It leads to good,
reproducible
> >> > bug reports, bug fixes, documentation fixes, blog entries and could
also
> >> > be used as a starting point for a screenplay for the videos.
> >> Love doing this kind of things.
> >> >
> >> > Björn
> >
> > Best regards,
> > g_bor

Best regards,
g_bor

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Re: [outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[Laura Lazzati]

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 6:24 AM Gábor Boskovits <boskovits@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Laura,
>
> Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 11., Cs, 3:25):
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:12 PM Gábor Boskovits <boskovits@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Laura,
> > >
> > > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 10., Sze 18:41):
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:17 PM Björn Höfling
> > >> <bjoern.hoefling@bjoernhoefling.de> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi Laura,
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:08:44 -0300
> > >> > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hi everyone!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I don't know if is it OK to be telling you what I am/ I've been doing
> > >> > > these days, I kind of like doing so to have feedback, and also to let
> > >> > > you know
> > >> >
> > >> > This is exactly the way to go! It's good to hear where you stay, what
> > >> > you tried, where you succeeded, where you got stuck. If you get stuck,
> > >> > tell us about the paths you already tried out and why you don't get
> > >> > further alone.
> > >> >
> > >> Sorry for being absent for a day. After updating and upgrading my
> > >> computer, I am stuck trying to see why the sound stopped working. Yes,
> > >> this kind of thinks happen but just now?
> > >
> > >
> > > No worries, one day off is perfectly ok, however if you did not get an answer in 3 or 4 days, then please contact us, since in that case there is some communications mistake.
> > > Last time losing sound happened to me after a dist-upgrade in ubuntu, and turned out, that the pulseaudio package shipped with a configuration that was not compatible with the version of the binaries supplied. I ran it in the foreground, and in the startup messages or in the log I found that it could not parse the config. It can be something entirely different though. I hope this helps.
> >
> > Thanks :) Unluckily i made a mistake and ended up needing  a fresh
> > install. But I am the kind of person that always has data backup and
> > is aware of the software and utilities that needs. Tomorrow I will go
> > on with my VMs, the one with only Guix, and one with GuixSD and start
> > with the package stuff, so that I can contribute as much as I can,
> > even if I am not chosen for outreachy.
>
> Sorry to hear that, but glad that you did not suffer any data loss.
> Having the VMs back by tomorrow is nice, thanks for the update.
Luckily yesterday I ended up late at night and found that I could
import my VM with Ubuntu guest with guix running. I do have a
question. I use Virtualbox, and Downloaded the .iso file of GuixSD, I
have just installed the VM for GuixSD in VirtualBox - I read that in
the documentation it is mentioned to use quemu- but strangely I
managed to install it without any problems in VirtualBox with the .iso
 I made the internet connection work, because the interfacewas down,
running other commands not shown in  the documentation, now I have it
strangely in state unknown but tried ping and works.
https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/en/html_node/Preparing-for-Installation.html#Preparing-for-Installation
(I am writing down in my daily journal everything I am encountering, )
I have even found that I cannot run shutdown -h now, don't know why
tried shutdown --help and it does not show the option, or read
manpages, or fin where .bash_history is located.
> > >>
> > >> > One thing that was today on the Outreachy mentors-mailinglist: If you
> > >> > finally made a contribution, please go directly on the Outreachy
> > >> > project page, select the Guix project and formally record your
> > >> > contributions. That's important to us and for the whole Outreachy
> > >> > project to see who/how many applicants are possible candidates for a
> > >> > project
> > If I do the R packaging, where do I record in Guix? And I am keeping
> > my daily journal with the problems I encounter, but I am not very sure
> > about where to upload it for Guix. As regards my daily journal. is it
> > OK to hace it in Google Drive? I know its FOSS, but it's a good way of
> > easily updating the doc and having it accesible. And in outreachy it
> > says that Refining current documentation is a contribution too. I
> > don't know if this applies also to problems I encounter and how I
> > managed to solve them.
> >
>
> If you have a working package, and you followed the contribution guide, you got to the part
> where you can send your patch. The debbugs issue tracker creates an issue for the patches
> sent to guix-patches@gnu.org. These patches are then reviewed, we will give you feedback,
> and when it is in a shape to include it in guix, we will accept it, upstream the changes and close
> the issue. This completes the contibution. Then you will have to record this on the Outreachy site.
> https://www.outreachy.org/apply/
>  in this point:
> 4. Record in-progress contributions on the Outreachy website. You'll need to go to the community landing page linked from the projects listing page. Then click the 'Record Contribution' button. Add links and descriptions to your contributions and the project timeline before the application deadline. You can always go back and edit your recorded contributions. A contribution doesn't have to be merged or accepted to be recorded.
> describes the process.
> Note that you can record the contibution while it is still in progress.

Maybe it is because I'm kind of sleepy, but I dont understand very
well this part. Should I be recording an in progress contribution
without having sent it to you first? Or after sending it to the guix
patches mail without receiving the feedback?>
> You can get faster responses if you CC your mentors to the message sent to guix-patches, so that we can notice the incoming patch.
>
> For now I suggest sending the notes with the difficulties encountered in a mail to the devel list, accompanied with suggestions on how to clarify the relevant parts of the documentation. Documentation changes tend to take longer, as it usually involves community discussion, but you can get this started. You can keep your private copy of these on google drive, and it is possible to create a git repo somewhere to keep track of a file with these, preferably an org mode text document.
> WDYT?
Yes,  for me it is OK. I have an account in bitbucket, but because it
allows me to have private repos without having to pay extra for that -
most people here use github. Is it ok to use it even it is not FOSS? I
was reading what an org mode text document is. I know about people
arguing about emacs-vi. Do I need to install emacs for that? I have
always been a vi-vim user. Don't mind installing it, or using another
repo, but please let me know.
>
>
> > See the "Application Setup" section in the manual, for more info.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > I installed guix on a VM with an Ubuntu distro and it worked fine - i
> > >> > > ran some basic commands.
> > >> > >  I am trying to install GuixSD over that VM too and on bare metal -
> > >> > > don't know if this two steps are necessary, but looking at the tasks
> > >> > > for Outreachy one items says that I will be doing documentation for
> > >> > > it.
> > >> >
> > >> > Concerning bare metal: Guix uses 100% Free Software und thus uses the
> > >> > libre kernel, not the normal vanilla kernel. That means some binaries
> > >> > included in the vanilla kernel are stripped off. Hickups might occur,
> > >> > especially with Network, WLAN and Graphics, compared to Ubuntu.
> > >> >
> > >> I thought that by installing bare metal ment installing it on a VM
> > >> without any operating system. I mean, putting the ISO there. I only
> > >> have one retro PC available with no OS where I could be trying that -
> > >> it is like 13 years old, and it is not a laptop.
> > >
> > >
> > > It is ok to skip that all together, a VM install is more than enough for now.
> > >
> > >> > As always before installing a new OS, make backups of your data and
> > >> > configurations on that machine!
> > >> >
> > >> > > 1) should I write, at least for myself, the problems I've been
> > >> > > encountering in the whole process of doing everything?
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes, very good! I do that for myself too. It leads to good, reproducible
> > >> > bug reports, bug fixes, documentation fixes, blog entries and could also
> > >> > be used as a starting point for a screenplay for the videos.
> > >> Love doing this kind of things.
> > >> >
> > >> > Björn
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > g_bor
>
> Best regards,
> g_bor

Re: [outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[Gábor Boskovits]

Hello Laura,

Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018.
okt. 11., Cs, 16:32):
>
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 6:24 AM Gábor Boskovits <boskovits@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Laura,
> >
> > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 11., Cs, 3:25):
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:12 PM Gábor Boskovits <boskovits@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello Laura,
> > > >
> > > > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 10., Sze 18:41):
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:17 PM Björn Höfling
> > > >> <bjoern.hoefling@bjoernhoefling.de> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Hi Laura,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:08:44 -0300
> > > >> > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Hi everyone!
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I don't know if is it OK to be telling you what I am/ I've been doing
> > > >> > > these days, I kind of like doing so to have feedback, and also to let
> > > >> > > you know
> > > >> >
> > > >> > This is exactly the way to go! It's good to hear where you stay, what
> > > >> > you tried, where you succeeded, where you got stuck. If you get stuck,
> > > >> > tell us about the paths you already tried out and why you don't get
> > > >> > further alone.
> > > >> >
> > > >> Sorry for being absent for a day. After updating and upgrading my
> > > >> computer, I am stuck trying to see why the sound stopped working. Yes,
> > > >> this kind of thinks happen but just now?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No worries, one day off is perfectly ok, however if you did not get an answer in 3 or 4 days, then please contact us, since in that case there is some communications mistake.
> > > > Last time losing sound happened to me after a dist-upgrade in ubuntu, and turned out, that the pulseaudio package shipped with a configuration that was not compatible with the version of the binaries supplied. I ran it in the foreground, and in the startup messages or in the log I found that it could not parse the config. It can be something entirely different though. I hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Thanks :) Unluckily i made a mistake and ended up needing  a fresh
> > > install. But I am the kind of person that always has data backup and
> > > is aware of the software and utilities that needs. Tomorrow I will go
> > > on with my VMs, the one with only Guix, and one with GuixSD and start
> > > with the package stuff, so that I can contribute as much as I can,
> > > even if I am not chosen for outreachy.
> >
> > Sorry to hear that, but glad that you did not suffer any data loss.
> > Having the VMs back by tomorrow is nice, thanks for the update.
> Luckily yesterday I ended up late at night and found that I could
> import my VM with Ubuntu guest with guix running. I do have a
> question. I use Virtualbox, and Downloaded the .iso file of GuixSD, I
> have just installed the VM for GuixSD in VirtualBox - I read that in
> the documentation it is mentioned to use quemu- but strangely I
> managed to install it without any problems in VirtualBox with the .iso
>  I made the internet connection work, because the interfacewas down,
> running other commands not shown in  the documentation, now I have it
> strangely in state unknown but tried ping and works.
> https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/en/html_node/Preparing-for-Installation.html#Preparing-for-Installation
> (I am writing down in my daily journal everything I am encountering, )
> I have even found that I cannot run shutdown -h now, don't know why
> tried shutdown --help and it does not show the option, or read
> manpages, or fin where .bash_history is located.

shutdown is handled by shepherd on GuixSD, and it does not have these
options. You can try simply shutdown or halt.
.bash_history on my GuixSD system is located in ~/.bash_history, as
expected. Also on my GuixSD system system
man pages work as expected. Are you facing these issues in the
installation image?

It is nice that you managed using VirtualBox. I am not suprised that
it works, but worth a mention in the documentation
I think. You wrote that you have a question, what is it?

> > > >>
> > > >> > One thing that was today on the Outreachy mentors-mailinglist: If you
> > > >> > finally made a contribution, please go directly on the Outreachy
> > > >> > project page, select the Guix project and formally record your
> > > >> > contributions. That's important to us and for the whole Outreachy
> > > >> > project to see who/how many applicants are possible candidates for a
> > > >> > project
> > > If I do the R packaging, where do I record in Guix? And I am keeping
> > > my daily journal with the problems I encounter, but I am not very sure
> > > about where to upload it for Guix. As regards my daily journal. is it
> > > OK to hace it in Google Drive? I know its FOSS, but it's a good way of
> > > easily updating the doc and having it accesible. And in outreachy it
> > > says that Refining current documentation is a contribution too. I
> > > don't know if this applies also to problems I encounter and how I
> > > managed to solve them.
> > >
> >
> > If you have a working package, and you followed the contribution guide, you got to the part
> > where you can send your patch. The debbugs issue tracker creates an issue for the patches
> > sent to guix-patches@gnu.org. These patches are then reviewed, we will give you feedback,
> > and when it is in a shape to include it in guix, we will accept it, upstream the changes and close
> > the issue. This completes the contibution. Then you will have to record this on the Outreachy site.
> > https://www.outreachy.org/apply/
> >  in this point:
> > 4. Record in-progress contributions on the Outreachy website. You'll need to go to the community landing page linked from the projects listing page. Then click the 'Record Contribution' button. Add links and descriptions to your contributions and the project timeline before the application deadline. You can always go back and edit your recorded contributions. A contribution doesn't have to be merged or accepted to be recorded.
> > describes the process.
> > Note that you can record the contibution while it is still in progress.
>
> Maybe it is because I'm kind of sleepy, but I dont understand very
> well this part. Should I be recording an in progress contribution
> without having sent it to you first? Or after sending it to the guix
> patches mail without receiving the feedback?>

I guess you need to reference the contribution somehow, so I believe
the earilest you should try recording the contribution is after it
gets an issue assigned, so you can use the issue URL as a refence.
A patch gets an issue assigned after you send a mail to the
guix-patches list. You will receive a response that tells the e-mail
address where further communication should go regarding that patch.
For an example see: http://issues.guix.info/issue/32709
(it is tagged as easy by the way, if you would like to give it a try)

I can accept your contribution when the patch gets upstream, and the
issue is closed. We usually close an issue by metioning the commit
(and also the branch) where it made upstream.

> > You can get faster responses if you CC your mentors to the message sent to guix-patches, so that we can notice the incoming patch.
> >
> > For now I suggest sending the notes with the difficulties encountered in a mail to the devel list, accompanied with suggestions on how to clarify the relevant parts of the documentation. Documentation changes tend to take longer, as it usually involves community discussion, but you can get this started. You can keep your private copy of these on google drive, and it is possible to create a git repo somewhere to keep track of a file with these, preferably an org mode text document.
> > WDYT?
> Yes,  for me it is OK. I have an account in bitbucket, but because it
> allows me to have private repos without having to pay extra for that -
> most people here use github. Is it ok to use it even it is not FOSS? I
> was reading what an org mode text document is. I know about people
> arguing about emacs-vi. Do I need to install emacs for that? I have
> always been a vi-vim user. Don't mind installing it, or using another
> repo, but please let me know.

Actually installing emacs is not required, but recommended, as it is
very well integrated with guile and guix.
Org mode is a good way to keep things organized, but it is not a
requirement either. (But once I tried it was
a never look back experience for me.) You can try vim-orgmode for
basic org mode functionality.
If you are ok with having a repo on gitlab it would be nice. It is
FOSS, and it allows you to have private
repos without having to pay extra for that :) I've moved just recently
from github there. (And also a lot of my colleagues.)

> >
> >
> > > See the "Application Setup" section in the manual, for more info.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > I installed guix on a VM with an Ubuntu distro and it worked fine - i
> > > >> > > ran some basic commands.
> > > >> > >  I am trying to install GuixSD over that VM too and on bare metal -
> > > >> > > don't know if this two steps are necessary, but looking at the tasks
> > > >> > > for Outreachy one items says that I will be doing documentation for
> > > >> > > it.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Concerning bare metal: Guix uses 100% Free Software und thus uses the
> > > >> > libre kernel, not the normal vanilla kernel. That means some binaries
> > > >> > included in the vanilla kernel are stripped off. Hickups might occur,
> > > >> > especially with Network, WLAN and Graphics, compared to Ubuntu.
> > > >> >
> > > >> I thought that by installing bare metal ment installing it on a VM
> > > >> without any operating system. I mean, putting the ISO there. I only
> > > >> have one retro PC available with no OS where I could be trying that -
> > > >> it is like 13 years old, and it is not a laptop.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is ok to skip that all together, a VM install is more than enough for now.
> > > >
> > > >> > As always before installing a new OS, make backups of your data and
> > > >> > configurations on that machine!
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > 1) should I write, at least for myself, the problems I've been
> > > >> > > encountering in the whole process of doing everything?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Yes, very good! I do that for myself too. It leads to good, reproducible
> > > >> > bug reports, bug fixes, documentation fixes, blog entries and could also
> > > >> > be used as a starting point for a screenplay for the videos.
> > > >> Love doing this kind of things.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Björn
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > g_bor
> >
> > Best regards,
> > g_bor
Best regards,
g_bor

Re: [outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[Leo Famulari]

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Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018.
okt. 11., Cs, 16:32):
> Yes,  for me it is OK. I have an account in bitbucket, but because it
> allows me to have private repos without having to pay extra for that -
> most people here use github. Is it ok to use it even it is not FOSS? I
> was reading what an org mode text document is. I know about people
> arguing about emacs-vi. Do I need to install emacs for that? I have
> always been a vi-vim user. Don't mind installing it, or using another
> repo, but please let me know.

Emacs is probably the best tool for working on Guix, but I have been
using Vim for Guix for a few years now. The 'paredit' Vim plugin helps a
lot with Scheme and Lisp code:

https://github.com/vim-scripts/paredit.vim
https://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=3998

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Re: [outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[Laura Lazzati]

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 2:05 PM Gábor Boskovits <boskovits@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Laura,
>
> Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018.
> okt. 11., Cs, 16:32):
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 6:24 AM Gábor Boskovits <boskovits@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Laura,
> > >
> > > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 11., Cs, 3:25):
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:12 PM Gábor Boskovits <boskovits@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Laura,
> > > > >
> > > > > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 10., Sze 18:41):
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:17 PM Björn Höfling
> > > > >> <bjoern.hoefling@bjoernhoefling.de> wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Hi Laura,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:08:44 -0300
> > > > >> > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > Hi everyone!
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > I don't know if is it OK to be telling you what I am/ I've been doing
> > > > >> > > these days, I kind of like doing so to have feedback, and also to let
> > > > >> > > you know
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > This is exactly the way to go! It's good to hear where you stay, what
> > > > >> > you tried, where you succeeded, where you got stuck. If you get stuck,
> > > > >> > tell us about the paths you already tried out and why you don't get
> > > > >> > further alone.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> Sorry for being absent for a day. After updating and upgrading my
> > > > >> computer, I am stuck trying to see why the sound stopped working. Yes,
> > > > >> this kind of thinks happen but just now?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No worries, one day off is perfectly ok, however if you did not get an answer in 3 or 4 days, then please contact us, since in that case there is some communications mistake.
> > > > > Last time losing sound happened to me after a dist-upgrade in ubuntu, and turned out, that the pulseaudio package shipped with a configuration that was not compatible with the version of the binaries supplied. I ran it in the foreground, and in the startup messages or in the log I found that it could not parse the config. It can be something entirely different though. I hope this helps.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks :) Unluckily i made a mistake and ended up needing  a fresh
> > > > install. But I am the kind of person that always has data backup and
> > > > is aware of the software and utilities that needs. Tomorrow I will go
> > > > on with my VMs, the one with only Guix, and one with GuixSD and start
> > > > with the package stuff, so that I can contribute as much as I can,
> > > > even if I am not chosen for outreachy.
> > >
> > > Sorry to hear that, but glad that you did not suffer any data loss.
> > > Having the VMs back by tomorrow is nice, thanks for the update.
> > Luckily yesterday I ended up late at night and found that I could
> > import my VM with Ubuntu guest with guix running. I do have a
> > question. I use Virtualbox, and Downloaded the .iso file of GuixSD, I
> > have just installed the VM for GuixSD in VirtualBox - I read that in
> > the documentation it is mentioned to use quemu- but strangely I
> > managed to install it without any problems in VirtualBox with the .iso
> >  I made the internet connection work, because the interfacewas down,
> > running other commands not shown in  the documentation, now I have it
> > strangely in state unknown but tried ping and works.
> > https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/en/html_node/Preparing-for-Installation.html#Preparing-for-Installation
> > (I am writing down in my daily journal everything I am encountering, )
> > I have even found that I cannot run shutdown -h now, don't know why
> > tried shutdown --help and it does not show the option, or read
> > manpages, or fin where .bash_history is located.
>
> shutdown is handled by shepherd on GuixSD, and it does not have these
> options. You can try simply shutdown or halt.
> .bash_history on my GuixSD system is located in ~/.bash_history, as
> expected. Also on my GuixSD system system
> man pages work as expected. Are you facing these issues in the
> installation image?
>
> It is nice that you managed using VirtualBox. I am not suprised that
> it works, but worth a mention in the documentation
> I think. You wrote that you have a question, what is it?
>
I guess the question was all what I wrote, without putting it as a
question. I don't know why but now manpages work, while the internet
connection is down again (shutted down the machine with halt). Before
that, I recall the info command, and started using it. And the problem
with not finding .bash_history was being used to ll in Ubuntu,
forgetting that ll is an alias for ls -laF. I realized that after
doing a find and  trying ls -ltra, and remembering working with other
distros. But my mail was already sent.
Does modifying the documentation counts also as a contribution? I
mean, I do not intend to only do so, but I don't know where to start.
If documenting, if packaging R, seing the issue with clojure (I've
never used clojure before), keep playing with GuixSD, please, let me
know what is better.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > One thing that was today on the Outreachy mentors-mailinglist: If you
> > > > >> > finally made a contribution, please go directly on the Outreachy
> > > > >> > project page, select the Guix project and formally record your
> > > > >> > contributions. That's important to us and for the whole Outreachy
> > > > >> > project to see who/how many applicants are possible candidates for a
> > > > >> > project
> > > > If I do the R packaging, where do I record in Guix? And I am keeping
> > > > my daily journal with the problems I encounter, but I am not very sure
> > > > about where to upload it for Guix. As regards my daily journal. is it
> > > > OK to hace it in Google Drive? I know its FOSS, but it's a good way of
> > > > easily updating the doc and having it accesible. And in outreachy it
> > > > says that Refining current documentation is a contribution too. I
> > > > don't know if this applies also to problems I encounter and how I
> > > > managed to solve them.
> > > >
> > >
> > > If you have a working package, and you followed the contribution guide, you got to the part
> > > where you can send your patch. The debbugs issue tracker creates an issue for the patches
> > > sent to guix-patches@gnu.org. These patches are then reviewed, we will give you feedback,
> > > and when it is in a shape to include it in guix, we will accept it, upstream the changes and close
> > > the issue. This completes the contibution. Then you will have to record this on the Outreachy site.
> > > https://www.outreachy.org/apply/
> > >  in this point:
> > > 4. Record in-progress contributions on the Outreachy website. You'll need to go to the community landing page linked from the projects listing page. Then click the 'Record Contribution' button. Add links and descriptions to your contributions and the project timeline before the application deadline. You can always go back and edit your recorded contributions. A contribution doesn't have to be merged or accepted to be recorded.
> > > describes the process.
> > > Note that you can record the contibution while it is still in progress.
> >
> > Maybe it is because I'm kind of sleepy, but I dont understand very
> > well this part. Should I be recording an in progress contribution
> > without having sent it to you first? Or after sending it to the guix
> > patches mail without receiving the feedback?>
>
> I guess you need to reference the contribution somehow, so I believe
> the earilest you should try recording the contribution is after it
> gets an issue assigned, so you can use the issue URL as a refence.
> A patch gets an issue assigned after you send a mail to the
> guix-patches list. You will receive a response that tells the e-mail
> address where further communication should go regarding that patch.
> For an example see: http://issues.guix.info/issue/32709
> (it is tagged as easy by the way, if you would like to give it a try)
>
> I can accept your contribution when the patch gets upstream, and the
> issue is closed. We usually close an issue by metioning the commit
> (and also the branch) where it made upstream.
>
> > > You can get faster responses if you CC your mentors to the message sent to guix-patches, so that we can notice the incoming patch.
> > >
> > > For now I suggest sending the notes with the difficulties encountered in a mail to the devel list, accompanied with suggestions on how to clarify the relevant parts of the documentation. Documentation changes tend to take longer, as it usually involves community discussion, but you can get this started. You can keep your private copy of these on google drive, and it is possible to create a git repo somewhere to keep track of a file with these, preferably an org mode text document.
> > > WDYT?
> > Yes,  for me it is OK. I have an account in bitbucket, but because it
> > allows me to have private repos without having to pay extra for that -
> > most people here use github. Is it ok to use it even it is not FOSS? I
> > was reading what an org mode text document is. I know about people
> > arguing about emacs-vi. Do I need to install emacs for that? I have
> > always been a vi-vim user. Don't mind installing it, or using another
> > repo, but please let me know.
>
> Actually installing emacs is not required, but recommended, as it is
> very well integrated with guile and guix.
> Org mode is a good way to keep things organized, but it is not a
> requirement either. (But once I tried it was
> a never look back experience for me.) You can try vim-orgmode for
> basic org mode functionality.
> If you are ok with having a repo on gitlab it would be nice. It is
> FOSS, and it allows you to have private
> repos without having to pay extra for that :) I've moved just recently
> from github there. (And also a lot of my colleagues.)
>
> > >
> > >
> > > > See the "Application Setup" section in the manual, for more info.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > I installed guix on a VM with an Ubuntu distro and it worked fine - i
> > > > >> > > ran some basic commands.
> > > > >> > >  I am trying to install GuixSD over that VM too and on bare metal -
> > > > >> > > don't know if this two steps are necessary, but looking at the tasks
> > > > >> > > for Outreachy one items says that I will be doing documentation for
> > > > >> > > it.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Concerning bare metal: Guix uses 100% Free Software und thus uses the
> > > > >> > libre kernel, not the normal vanilla kernel. That means some binaries
> > > > >> > included in the vanilla kernel are stripped off. Hickups might occur,
> > > > >> > especially with Network, WLAN and Graphics, compared to Ubuntu.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> I thought that by installing bare metal ment installing it on a VM
> > > > >> without any operating system. I mean, putting the ISO there. I only
> > > > >> have one retro PC available with no OS where I could be trying that -
> > > > >> it is like 13 years old, and it is not a laptop.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is ok to skip that all together, a VM install is more than enough for now.
> > > > >
> > > > >> > As always before installing a new OS, make backups of your data and
> > > > >> > configurations on that machine!
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > 1) should I write, at least for myself, the problems I've been
> > > > >> > > encountering in the whole process of doing everything?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Yes, very good! I do that for myself too. It leads to good, reproducible
> > > > >> > bug reports, bug fixes, documentation fixes, blog entries and could also
> > > > >> > be used as a starting point for a screenplay for the videos.
> > > > >> Love doing this kind of things.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Björn
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > g_bor
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > g_bor
> Best regards,
> g_bor
Regards!
Laura

Re: [outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[Gábor Boskovits]

Hello Laura,

Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018.
okt. 11., Cs, 21:58):
>
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 2:05 PM Gábor Boskovits <boskovits@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Laura,
> >
> > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018.
> > okt. 11., Cs, 16:32):
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 6:24 AM Gábor Boskovits <boskovits@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Laura,
> > > >
> > > > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 11., Cs, 3:25):
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:12 PM Gábor Boskovits <boskovits@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Laura,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 10., Sze 18:41):
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:17 PM Björn Höfling
> > > > > >> <bjoern.hoefling@bjoernhoefling.de> wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Hi Laura,
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:08:44 -0300
> > > > > >> > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > Hi everyone!
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > I don't know if is it OK to be telling you what I am/ I've been doing
> > > > > >> > > these days, I kind of like doing so to have feedback, and also to let
> > > > > >> > > you know
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > This is exactly the way to go! It's good to hear where you stay, what
> > > > > >> > you tried, where you succeeded, where you got stuck. If you get stuck,
> > > > > >> > tell us about the paths you already tried out and why you don't get
> > > > > >> > further alone.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> Sorry for being absent for a day. After updating and upgrading my
> > > > > >> computer, I am stuck trying to see why the sound stopped working. Yes,
> > > > > >> this kind of thinks happen but just now?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No worries, one day off is perfectly ok, however if you did not get an answer in 3 or 4 days, then please contact us, since in that case there is some communications mistake.
> > > > > > Last time losing sound happened to me after a dist-upgrade in ubuntu, and turned out, that the pulseaudio package shipped with a configuration that was not compatible with the version of the binaries supplied. I ran it in the foreground, and in the startup messages or in the log I found that it could not parse the config. It can be something entirely different though. I hope this helps.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks :) Unluckily i made a mistake and ended up needing  a fresh
> > > > > install. But I am the kind of person that always has data backup and
> > > > > is aware of the software and utilities that needs. Tomorrow I will go
> > > > > on with my VMs, the one with only Guix, and one with GuixSD and start
> > > > > with the package stuff, so that I can contribute as much as I can,
> > > > > even if I am not chosen for outreachy.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry to hear that, but glad that you did not suffer any data loss.
> > > > Having the VMs back by tomorrow is nice, thanks for the update.
> > > Luckily yesterday I ended up late at night and found that I could
> > > import my VM with Ubuntu guest with guix running. I do have a
> > > question. I use Virtualbox, and Downloaded the .iso file of GuixSD, I
> > > have just installed the VM for GuixSD in VirtualBox - I read that in
> > > the documentation it is mentioned to use quemu- but strangely I
> > > managed to install it without any problems in VirtualBox with the .iso
> > >  I made the internet connection work, because the interfacewas down,
> > > running other commands not shown in  the documentation, now I have it
> > > strangely in state unknown but tried ping and works.
> > > https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/en/html_node/Preparing-for-Installation.html#Preparing-for-Installation
> > > (I am writing down in my daily journal everything I am encountering, )
> > > I have even found that I cannot run shutdown -h now, don't know why
> > > tried shutdown --help and it does not show the option, or read
> > > manpages, or fin where .bash_history is located.
> >
> > shutdown is handled by shepherd on GuixSD, and it does not have these
> > options. You can try simply shutdown or halt.
> > .bash_history on my GuixSD system is located in ~/.bash_history, as
> > expected. Also on my GuixSD system system
> > man pages work as expected. Are you facing these issues in the
> > installation image?
> >
> > It is nice that you managed using VirtualBox. I am not suprised that
> > it works, but worth a mention in the documentation
> > I think. You wrote that you have a question, what is it?
> >
> I guess the question was all what I wrote, without putting it as a
> question. I don't know why but now manpages work, while the internet
> connection is down again (shutted down the machine with halt). Before
> that, I recall the info command, and started using it. And the problem
> with not finding .bash_history was being used to ll in Ubuntu,
> forgetting that ll is an alias for ls -laF. I realized that after
> doing a find and  trying ls -ltra, and remembering working with other
> distros. But my mail was already sent.
> Does modifying the documentation counts also as a contribution? I
> mean, I do not intend to only do so, but I don't know where to start.
> If documenting, if packaging R, seing the issue with clojure (I've
> never used clojure before), keep playing with GuixSD, please, let me
> know what is better.

Sorry if this is confusing. I should have communicated much clearer.

Please do the packaging first, as these types of contributions go the
fastest.

Yes, documentation changes count as a contribution, but
usually go slower, as more discussion is involved.

The clojure issue is not an urgent one, it is only a convenience thing,
so you don't need to work on it.

Playing with GuixSD will definitely pay out well later, but you can't
register it as a contribution, so I would do that later if I were you.

Do you notice the internet connection going down after you have installed
GuixSD? (On the installation image the connection is down on boot)

> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > One thing that was today on the Outreachy mentors-mailinglist: If you
> > > > > >> > finally made a contribution, please go directly on the Outreachy
> > > > > >> > project page, select the Guix project and formally record your
> > > > > >> > contributions. That's important to us and for the whole Outreachy
> > > > > >> > project to see who/how many applicants are possible candidates for a
> > > > > >> > project
> > > > > If I do the R packaging, where do I record in Guix? And I am keeping
> > > > > my daily journal with the problems I encounter, but I am not very sure
> > > > > about where to upload it for Guix. As regards my daily journal. is it
> > > > > OK to hace it in Google Drive? I know its FOSS, but it's a good way of
> > > > > easily updating the doc and having it accesible. And in outreachy it
> > > > > says that Refining current documentation is a contribution too. I
> > > > > don't know if this applies also to problems I encounter and how I
> > > > > managed to solve them.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you have a working package, and you followed the contribution guide, you got to the part
> > > > where you can send your patch. The debbugs issue tracker creates an issue for the patches
> > > > sent to guix-patches@gnu.org. These patches are then reviewed, we will give you feedback,
> > > > and when it is in a shape to include it in guix, we will accept it, upstream the changes and close
> > > > the issue. This completes the contibution. Then you will have to record this on the Outreachy site.
> > > > https://www.outreachy.org/apply/
> > > >  in this point:
> > > > 4. Record in-progress contributions on the Outreachy website. You'll need to go to the community landing page linked from the projects listing page. Then click the 'Record Contribution' button. Add links and descriptions to your contributions and the project timeline before the application deadline. You can always go back and edit your recorded contributions. A contribution doesn't have to be merged or accepted to be recorded.
> > > > describes the process.
> > > > Note that you can record the contibution while it is still in progress.
> > >
> > > Maybe it is because I'm kind of sleepy, but I dont understand very
> > > well this part. Should I be recording an in progress contribution
> > > without having sent it to you first? Or after sending it to the guix
> > > patches mail without receiving the feedback?>
> >
> > I guess you need to reference the contribution somehow, so I believe
> > the earilest you should try recording the contribution is after it
> > gets an issue assigned, so you can use the issue URL as a refence.
> > A patch gets an issue assigned after you send a mail to the
> > guix-patches list. You will receive a response that tells the e-mail
> > address where further communication should go regarding that patch.
> > For an example see: http://issues.guix.info/issue/32709
> > (it is tagged as easy by the way, if you would like to give it a try)
> >
> > I can accept your contribution when the patch gets upstream, and the
> > issue is closed. We usually close an issue by metioning the commit
> > (and also the branch) where it made upstream.
> >
> > > > You can get faster responses if you CC your mentors to the message sent to guix-patches, so that we can notice the incoming patch.
> > > >
> > > > For now I suggest sending the notes with the difficulties encountered in a mail to the devel list, accompanied with suggestions on how to clarify the relevant parts of the documentation. Documentation changes tend to take longer, as it usually involves community discussion, but you can get this started. You can keep your private copy of these on google drive, and it is possible to create a git repo somewhere to keep track of a file with these, preferably an org mode text document.
> > > > WDYT?
> > > Yes,  for me it is OK. I have an account in bitbucket, but because it
> > > allows me to have private repos without having to pay extra for that -
> > > most people here use github. Is it ok to use it even it is not FOSS? I
> > > was reading what an org mode text document is. I know about people
> > > arguing about emacs-vi. Do I need to install emacs for that? I have
> > > always been a vi-vim user. Don't mind installing it, or using another
> > > repo, but please let me know.
> >
> > Actually installing emacs is not required, but recommended, as it is
> > very well integrated with guile and guix.
> > Org mode is a good way to keep things organized, but it is not a
> > requirement either. (But once I tried it was
> > a never look back experience for me.) You can try vim-orgmode for
> > basic org mode functionality.
> > If you are ok with having a repo on gitlab it would be nice. It is
> > FOSS, and it allows you to have private
> > repos without having to pay extra for that :) I've moved just recently
> > from github there. (And also a lot of my colleagues.)
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > See the "Application Setup" section in the manual, for more info.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > I installed guix on a VM with an Ubuntu distro and it worked fine - i
> > > > > >> > > ran some basic commands.
> > > > > >> > >  I am trying to install GuixSD over that VM too and on bare metal -
> > > > > >> > > don't know if this two steps are necessary, but looking at the tasks
> > > > > >> > > for Outreachy one items says that I will be doing documentation for
> > > > > >> > > it.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Concerning bare metal: Guix uses 100% Free Software und thus uses the
> > > > > >> > libre kernel, not the normal vanilla kernel. That means some binaries
> > > > > >> > included in the vanilla kernel are stripped off. Hickups might occur,
> > > > > >> > especially with Network, WLAN and Graphics, compared to Ubuntu.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> I thought that by installing bare metal ment installing it on a VM
> > > > > >> without any operating system. I mean, putting the ISO there. I only
> > > > > >> have one retro PC available with no OS where I could be trying that -
> > > > > >> it is like 13 years old, and it is not a laptop.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is ok to skip that all together, a VM install is more than enough for now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > As always before installing a new OS, make backups of your data and
> > > > > >> > configurations on that machine!
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > 1) should I write, at least for myself, the problems I've been
> > > > > >> > > encountering in the whole process of doing everything?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Yes, very good! I do that for myself too. It leads to good, reproducible
> > > > > >> > bug reports, bug fixes, documentation fixes, blog entries and could also
> > > > > >> > be used as a starting point for a screenplay for the videos.
> > > > > >> Love doing this kind of things.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Björn
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > g_bor
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > g_bor
> > Best regards,
> > g_bor
> Regards!
> Laura
Best regards,
g_bor

Re: [outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[Laura Lazzati]

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 3:31 AM Gábor Boskovits <boskovits@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Laura,
>
> Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018.
> okt. 11., Cs, 21:58):
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 2:05 PM Gábor Boskovits <boskovits@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Laura,
> > >
> > > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018.
> > > okt. 11., Cs, 16:32):
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 6:24 AM Gábor Boskovits <boskovits@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Laura,
> > > > >
> > > > > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 11., Cs, 3:25):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:12 PM Gábor Boskovits <boskovits@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello Laura,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2018. okt. 10., Sze 18:41):
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:17 PM Björn Höfling
> > > > > > >> <bjoern.hoefling@bjoernhoefling.de> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Hi Laura,
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 10:08:44 -0300
> > > > > > >> > Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > Hi everyone!
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > I don't know if is it OK to be telling you what I am/ I've been doing
> > > > > > >> > > these days, I kind of like doing so to have feedback, and also to let
> > > > > > >> > > you know
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > This is exactly the way to go! It's good to hear where you stay, what
> > > > > > >> > you tried, where you succeeded, where you got stuck. If you get stuck,
> > > > > > >> > tell us about the paths you already tried out and why you don't get
> > > > > > >> > further alone.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> Sorry for being absent for a day. After updating and upgrading my
> > > > > > >> computer, I am stuck trying to see why the sound stopped working. Yes,
> > > > > > >> this kind of thinks happen but just now?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No worries, one day off is perfectly ok, however if you did not get an answer in 3 or 4 days, then please contact us, since in that case there is some communications mistake.
> > > > > > > Last time losing sound happened to me after a dist-upgrade in ubuntu, and turned out, that the pulseaudio package shipped with a configuration that was not compatible with the version of the binaries supplied. I ran it in the foreground, and in the startup messages or in the log I found that it could not parse the config. It can be something entirely different though. I hope this helps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks :) Unluckily i made a mistake and ended up needing  a fresh
> > > > > > install. But I am the kind of person that always has data backup and
> > > > > > is aware of the software and utilities that needs. Tomorrow I will go
> > > > > > on with my VMs, the one with only Guix, and one with GuixSD and start
> > > > > > with the package stuff, so that I can contribute as much as I can,
> > > > > > even if I am not chosen for outreachy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry to hear that, but glad that you did not suffer any data loss.
> > > > > Having the VMs back by tomorrow is nice, thanks for the update.
> > > > Luckily yesterday I ended up late at night and found that I could
> > > > import my VM with Ubuntu guest with guix running. I do have a
> > > > question. I use Virtualbox, and Downloaded the .iso file of GuixSD, I
> > > > have just installed the VM for GuixSD in VirtualBox - I read that in
> > > > the documentation it is mentioned to use quemu- but strangely I
> > > > managed to install it without any problems in VirtualBox with the .iso
> > > >  I made the internet connection work, because the interfacewas down,
> > > > running other commands not shown in  the documentation, now I have it
> > > > strangely in state unknown but tried ping and works.
> > > > https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/en/html_node/Preparing-for-Installation.html#Preparing-for-Installation
> > > > (I am writing down in my daily journal everything I am encountering, )
> > > > I have even found that I cannot run shutdown -h now, don't know why
> > > > tried shutdown --help and it does not show the option, or read
> > > > manpages, or fin where .bash_history is located.
> > >
> > > shutdown is handled by shepherd on GuixSD, and it does not have these
> > > options. You can try simply shutdown or halt.
> > > .bash_history on my GuixSD system is located in ~/.bash_history, as
> > > expected. Also on my GuixSD system system
> > > man pages work as expected. Are you facing these issues in the
> > > installation image?
> > >
> > > It is nice that you managed using VirtualBox. I am not suprised that
> > > it works, but worth a mention in the documentation
> > > I think. You wrote that you have a question, what is it?
> > >
> > I guess the question was all what I wrote, without putting it as a
> > question. I don't know why but now manpages work, while the internet
> > connection is down again (shutted down the machine with halt). Before
> > that, I recall the info command, and started using it. And the problem
> > with not finding .bash_history was being used to ll in Ubuntu,
> > forgetting that ll is an alias for ls -laF. I realized that after
> > doing a find and  trying ls -ltra, and remembering working with other
> > distros. But my mail was already sent.
> > Does modifying the documentation counts also as a contribution? I
> > mean, I do not intend to only do so, but I don't know where to start.
> > If documenting, if packaging R, seing the issue with clojure (I've
> > never used clojure before), keep playing with GuixSD, please, let me
> > know what is better.
>
> Sorry if this is confusing. I should have communicated much clearer.
>
> Please do the packaging first, as these types of contributions go the
> fastest.

Today I will be reading almost all the documentation available about
how guix works, how to do the packaging and so on. -The one that
includes the installation, I always find useful reading documentation
first,  even if people tend to think it takes time, for me it works
better . And I tend to plan what to do on each day.
Thank you, I was really messing up and I thought you may think "she is
writing too much". I find interesting too starting with packaging R
for at least contributing now.  And then try to package other rhings,
or fix others, like the clojure one. I'd rather contributing with R
but just because it is a programming language I know, and have
installed and used before - now too, I don't remember mentioning I am
working for a really small project doing a kind of pipeline for a
friend.

> Yes, documentation changes count as a contribution, but
> usually go slower, as more discussion is involved.

OK, I keep my daily journal in my Drive,  because it is faster, where
I write the problems or difficulties I find and the things/ steps I
follow to solve then, and then convert that in something in my repo to
send it formally. Like mentioning the steps I followed with VirtualBox
for example. Or things that I found confusing in the documentation.

> The clojure issue is not an urgent one, it is only a convenience thing,
> so you don't need to work on it.
>
> Playing with GuixSD will definitely pay out well later, but you can't
> register it as a contribution, so I would do that later if I were you.
>
> Do you notice the internet connection going down after you have installed
> GuixSD? (On the installation image the connection is down on boot)
I've been playing yesrterday with the VM, I did not find my internet
connection was slow, neither in my host nor in the guest. And recall I
use Ubuntu at home, and I had running in parallel the Ubuntu guest
where I installed guix, and the guixSD guest. The only problem I
encountered with GuixSD was that after halting, the internet
connection went down. The dhclient warned about it every time I wrote
back the commands, but maybe I did not configure something properly.
It was like "where are the network files to set an static IP or
something like that?"
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > One thing that was today on the Outreachy mentors-mailinglist: If you
> > > > > > >> > finally made a contribution, please go directly on the Outreachy
> > > > > > >> > project page, select the Guix project and formally record your
> > > > > > >> > contributions. That's important to us and for the whole Outreachy
> > > > > > >> > project to see who/how many applicants are possible candidates for a
> > > > > > >> > project
> > > > > > If I do the R packaging, where do I record in Guix? And I am keeping
> > > > > > my daily journal with the problems I encounter, but I am not very sure
> > > > > > about where to upload it for Guix. As regards my daily journal. is it
> > > > > > OK to hace it in Google Drive? I know its FOSS, but it's a good way of
> > > > > > easily updating the doc and having it accesible. And in outreachy it
> > > > > > says that Refining current documentation is a contribution too. I
> > > > > > don't know if this applies also to problems I encounter and how I
> > > > > > managed to solve them.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have a working package, and you followed the contribution guide, you got to the part
> > > > > where you can send your patch. The debbugs issue tracker creates an issue for the patches
> > > > > sent to guix-patches@gnu.org. These patches are then reviewed, we will give you feedback,
> > > > > and when it is in a shape to include it in guix, we will accept it, upstream the changes and close
> > > > > the issue. This completes the contibution. Then you will have to record this on the Outreachy site.
> > > > > https://www.outreachy.org/apply/
> > > > >  in this point:
> > > > > 4. Record in-progress contributions on the Outreachy website. You'll need to go to the community landing page linked from the projects listing page. Then click the 'Record Contribution' button. Add links and descriptions to your contributions and the project timeline before the application deadline. You can always go back and edit your recorded contributions. A contribution doesn't have to be merged or accepted to be recorded.
> > > > > describes the process.
> > > > > Note that you can record the contibution while it is still in progress.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe it is because I'm kind of sleepy, but I dont understand very
> > > > well this part. Should I be recording an in progress contribution
> > > > without having sent it to you first? Or after sending it to the guix
> > > > patches mail without receiving the feedback?>
> > >
> > > I guess you need to reference the contribution somehow, so I believe
> > > the earilest you should try recording the contribution is after it
> > > gets an issue assigned, so you can use the issue URL as a refence.
> > > A patch gets an issue assigned after you send a mail to the
> > > guix-patches list. You will receive a response that tells the e-mail
> > > address where further communication should go regarding that patch.
> > > For an example see: http://issues.guix.info/issue/32709
> > > (it is tagged as easy by the way, if you would like to give it a try)
> > >
> > > I can accept your contribution when the patch gets upstream, and the
> > > issue is closed. We usually close an issue by metioning the commit
> > > (and also the branch) where it made upstream.
> > >
> > > > > You can get faster responses if you CC your mentors to the message sent to guix-patches, so that we can notice the incoming patch.
> > > > >
> > > > > For now I suggest sending the notes with the difficulties encountered in a mail to the devel list, accompanied with suggestions on how to clarify the relevant parts of the documentation. Documentation changes tend to take longer, as it usually involves community discussion, but you can get this started. You can keep your private copy of these on google drive, and it is possible to create a git repo somewhere to keep track of a file with these, preferably an org mode text document.
> > > > > WDYT?
> > > > Yes,  for me it is OK. I have an account in bitbucket, but because it
> > > > allows me to have private repos without having to pay extra for that -
> > > > most people here use github. Is it ok to use it even it is not FOSS? I
> > > > was reading what an org mode text document is. I know about people
> > > > arguing about emacs-vi. Do I need to install emacs for that? I have
> > > > always been a vi-vim user. Don't mind installing it, or using another
> > > > repo, but please let me know.
> > >
> > > Actually installing emacs is not required, but recommended, as it is
> > > very well integrated with guile and guix.
> > > Org mode is a good way to keep things organized, but it is not a
> > > requirement either. (But once I tried it was
> > > a never look back experience for me.) You can try vim-orgmode for
> > > basic org mode functionality.
> > > If you are ok with having a repo on gitlab it would be nice. It is
> > > FOSS, and it allows you to have private
> > > repos without having to pay extra for that :) I've moved just recently
> > > from github there. (And also a lot of my colleagues.)
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > See the "Application Setup" section in the manual, for more info.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > I installed guix on a VM with an Ubuntu distro and it worked fine - i
> > > > > > >> > > ran some basic commands.
> > > > > > >> > >  I am trying to install GuixSD over that VM too and on bare metal -
> > > > > > >> > > don't know if this two steps are necessary, but looking at the tasks
> > > > > > >> > > for Outreachy one items says that I will be doing documentation for
> > > > > > >> > > it.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Concerning bare metal: Guix uses 100% Free Software und thus uses the
> > > > > > >> > libre kernel, not the normal vanilla kernel. That means some binaries
> > > > > > >> > included in the vanilla kernel are stripped off. Hickups might occur,
> > > > > > >> > especially with Network, WLAN and Graphics, compared to Ubuntu.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> I thought that by installing bare metal ment installing it on a VM
> > > > > > >> without any operating system. I mean, putting the ISO there. I only
> > > > > > >> have one retro PC available with no OS where I could be trying that -
> > > > > > >> it is like 13 years old, and it is not a laptop.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is ok to skip that all together, a VM install is more than enough for now.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > As always before installing a new OS, make backups of your data and
> > > > > > >> > configurations on that machine!
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > 1) should I write, at least for myself, the problems I've been
> > > > > > >> > > encountering in the whole process of doing everything?
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Yes, very good! I do that for myself too. It leads to good, reproducible
> > > > > > >> > bug reports, bug fixes, documentation fixes, blog entries and could also
> > > > > > >> > be used as a starting point for a screenplay for the videos.
> > > > > > >> Love doing this kind of things.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Björn
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > g_bor
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > g_bor
> > > Best regards,
> > > g_bor
> > Regards!
> > Laura
> Best regards,
> g_bor

I write tomorrow after having read the documentation, and tying to package R.

Regards!

Laura

Re: [outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[Björn Höfling]

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Hi Laura,

nice to here from your progress.

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:31:26 -0300
Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> wrote:

> Luckily yesterday I ended up late at night and found that I could
> import my VM with Ubuntu guest with guix running. I do have a
> question. I use Virtualbox, and Downloaded the .iso file of GuixSD, I
> have just installed the VM for GuixSD in VirtualBox - I read that in
> the documentation it is mentioned to use quemu- but strangely I
> managed to install it without any problems in VirtualBox with the .iso

I have a Windows-PC with VirtualBox where GuixSD is running stable
since at least half a year. 

I think the recommendation with QEMU is more about freedom: As far as I
know there are some issues with software-freedom. The only reference I
found is some older Trisquel discussion claiming some compiler is only
open source, but not nonfree:

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/virtualbox-non-free-software

Has anyone else a clearer picture about that?

Björn

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Re: [outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[Ricardo Wurmus]

Hi Björn,

> The only reference I
> found is some older Trisquel discussion claiming some compiler is only
> open source, but not nonfree:

The extension pack is available only under proprietary licenses i.e. it
is nonfree.

The BIOS compiler since version 4.2 is released under the Watcom
license, which demands that for many private uses the source code must
be published.  This makes it nonfree:

    https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#Watcom

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Ricardo

Re: [outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[Gábor Boskovits]

Björn Höfling <bjoern.hoefling@bjoernhoefling.de> ezt írta (időpont:
2018. okt. 11., Cs, 20:55):
>
> Hi Laura,
>
> nice to here from your progress.
>
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:31:26 -0300
> Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Luckily yesterday I ended up late at night and found that I could
> > import my VM with Ubuntu guest with guix running. I do have a
> > question. I use Virtualbox, and Downloaded the .iso file of GuixSD, I
> > have just installed the VM for GuixSD in VirtualBox - I read that in
> > the documentation it is mentioned to use quemu- but strangely I
> > managed to install it without any problems in VirtualBox with the .iso
>
> I have a Windows-PC with VirtualBox where GuixSD is running stable
> since at least half a year.
>
> I think the recommendation with QEMU is more about freedom: As far as I
> know there are some issues with software-freedom. The only reference I
> found is some older Trisquel discussion claiming some compiler is only
> open source, but not nonfree:
>
> https://trisquel.info/en/forum/virtualbox-non-free-software
>
> Has anyone else a clearer picture about that?

Hello Björn,

see this for a clearer picture:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watcom_C/C%2B%2B#License_considerations
especially:
The Open Source Initiative has approved the license as open source,
but Debian, Fedora and the Free Software Foundation have rejected it
because "It requires you to publish the source code publicly whenever
you “Deploy” the covered software, and “Deploy” is defined to include
many kinds of private use.

This is the compiler used for building the BIOS in virtualbox.
Therefore it cannot be built using free software, so it is considered
non-free.

Best regards,
g_bor

>
> Björn

Re: [outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[Alex Vong]

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Hello,

Welcome to guix!

Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi everyone!
>
> I don't know if is it OK to be telling you what I am/ I've been doing
> these days, I kind of like doing so to have feedback, and also to let
> you know
>
> I installed guix on a VM with an Ubuntu distro and it worked fine - i
> ran some basic commands.
>  I am trying to install GuixSD over that VM too and on bare metal -
> don't know if this two steps are necessary, but looking at the tasks
> for Outreachy one items says that I will be doing documentation for
> it.
> I also read the tutorial in http://guix-hpc-bordeaux.inria.fr, the
> documentation about defining packages - I am in process of studying
> how to do so. And I have the following questions:
> 1) should I write, at least for myself, the problems I've been
> encountering in the whole process of doing everything?

I think it is a good idea. Usually after using a program for some time,
I get used the program behaviour and forget how it was like when I just
get started. It is always good to have newcomers to share the
difficulties they encountered!

> 2) When a suggestion for a contribution is writing an R package, you
> mean the R programming language?
>
Yes, I think so. A capitalized 'R' usually means the 'R programming
language' in my dictionary. You can find all the R package
definitions / recipes in 'gnu/package/statistics.scm'.

> Regards!

There're also some talks about guix on the web[0][1]. You can watch them
if you are interested.

Cheers,
Alex

[0]: https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/practical-verifiable-software-freedom-with-guixsd/
[1]: https://archive.fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/usingguix/

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Re: [outreachy] am I in the right track to contribute

[Laura Lazzati]

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 7:26 PM Alex Vong <alexvong1995@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Welcome to guix!

Thank you!
>
> Laura Lazzati <laura.lazzati.15@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Hi everyone!
> >
> > I don't know if is it OK to be telling you what I am/ I've been doing
> > these days, I kind of like doing so to have feedback, and also to let
> > you know
> >
> > I installed guix on a VM with an Ubuntu distro and it worked fine - i
> > ran some basic commands.
> >  I am trying to install GuixSD over that VM too and on bare metal -
> > don't know if this two steps are necessary, but looking at the tasks
> > for Outreachy one items says that I will be doing documentation for
> > it.
> > I also read the tutorial in http://guix-hpc-bordeaux.inria.fr, the
> > documentation about defining packages - I am in process of studying
> > how to do so. And I have the following questions:
> > 1) should I write, at least for myself, the problems I've been
> > encountering in the whole process of doing everything?
>
> I think it is a good idea. Usually after using a program for some time,
> I get used the program behaviour and forget how it was like when I just
> get started. It is always good to have newcomers to share the
> difficulties they encountered!
>
> > 2) When a suggestion for a contribution is writing an R package, you
> > mean the R programming language?
> >
> Yes, I think so. A capitalized 'R' usually means the 'R programming
> language' in my dictionary. You can find all the R package
> definitions / recipes in 'gnu/package/statistics.scm'.
>
I'm interested in taking this as a contribution. I have just sent
another reply mail telling about my bad luck with my laptop. I'm
trying to fix the sound issue while reading documentation about how to
package software
I have used R before, so  I was asking about that
> > Regards!.
>
> There're also some talks about guix on the web[0][1]. You can watch them
> if you are interested.
>
> Cheers,
> Alex
>
> [0]: https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/practical-verifiable-software-freedom-with-guixsd/
> [1]: https://archive.fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/usingguix/