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Definitely not! It=E2=80=99s been difficult enough to get them added in the first place. R= ather than undoing years of past work just because it=E2=80=99s inconvenient to do maintenance we should increase the number of people who feel responsible to help with maintenance. I know that I won=E2=80=99t continue contributing to Guix if packages are removed with nonchalance. We speak of removing Pandoc, Haskell, and most of R. That would be nothing short of reckless. Yes, this is only i686 and it=E2=80=99s worth thinking about whether to con= tinue supporting this architecture when developers seemingly don=E2=80=99t care a= bout it any more. But just removing foundational packages is akin to just giving up. --=20 Ricardo