From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Christopher Allan Webber Subject: Re: Idea: 'ethical hosting' [formerly mailman service (free for FOSS projects)] Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:59:33 -0500 Message-ID: <87pog9yrmi.fsf@dustycloud.org> References: <20170418102336.GA19486@mail.thebird.nl> <20170418111814.xouioj2dron7woqg@abyayala> <20170418175926.GA21415@mail.thebird.nl> <20170418181141.s6uwtll2fyvbwixj@abyayala> <20170418185024.GA21618@mail.thebird.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52945) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d0gmH-0004AP-2u for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 23:59:38 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d0gmG-0006RH-0U for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 23:59:37 -0400 Received: from dustycloud.org ([2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:feae:cb51]:43682) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d0gmF-0006R3-RM for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 23:59:35 -0400 In-reply-to: <20170418185024.GA21618@mail.thebird.nl> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Pjotr Prins Cc: guix-devel Pjotr Prins writes: > On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 06:11:41PM +0000, ng0 wrote: >> > I don't think we should offer VPS (at first). But we can offer the >> > choice of using other VPS'. The VPS marked is overcrowded and very >> > competitive - I would not want to compete with that. I want to compete >> > with companies that offer hosting, but do not provide the software >> > stack. I also want people to have access to their own VPS. That is the >> > ethical part. >> >> Okay, then I do not understandand completely where you are going with this. >> For a hosted service you need a host first. Do you want to offer consulting >> work, so that this can be deployed at service (which furthermore would >> require some legal annoyance), as a service? In other words, some of us >> probably to cover the legal part with a contract at Guix Europe e.v. (if >> the registered association law in France works similar to the ones in Germany) >> will set up services on demand for interested people and organizations? > > This is one example for hosting mailman: https://www.mailmanhost.com/. > They host it on some other VPS service. > > What I want to do is provide something similar with a slick web > interface where people click on a service, say a VPS with mailman, > configure it and launch it on a VPS hoster of their choice - we can > offer multiple solutions on multiple hosting parties. Then the client > has a running and configured server. We charge a fee on top of the VPS > fee. > Note that that vision of building a web UI on top of a declarative system to make deploying and maintaining servers easier is what originally drew me to Guix. Still hasn't left my mind as something valuable.