From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Christopher Lemmer Webber Subject: Re: my latest blog post Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 23:24:45 -0500 Message-ID: <87po11j46q.fsf@dustycloud.org> References: <877enaimsn.fsf@fastmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53477) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fR8xE-0002ui-Td for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:24:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fR8xD-0000Gv-V9 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:24:48 -0400 Received: from dustycloud.org ([2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:feae:cb51]:49486) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fR8xD-0000Ge-QZ for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2018 00:24:47 -0400 In-reply-to: <877enaimsn.fsf@fastmail.com> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Joshua Branson Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org I think Catonano and Mark discussed things nicely earlier in the thread, so I'm not going to weigh in on that (though I do agree that we would can and should do better, but that also it's important to realize that community members only have so many personal resources to be able to respond sometimes). Guile still matters a lot to me. I think Guile has a long way to go, but I look at it more that there is an opportunity for us to do better than that we have failed currently. What can we do to move in the right direction? Joshua Branson writes: > I personally dislike that saying "guys" on IRC is frowned upon. In my > personal life I use "guys" when I'm talking to a group of people, even > if some are women. Are there women in the guix community that are > offended by the use of "guys"? There may be, and even if there weren't, I certainly know many women (or generally non-male, and heck, even many male) developers who are bothered by that language. The question isn't just whether or not we're upsetting someone currently (though that's important), it's also whether we're losing the opportunity to grow our community to include such people going forward.