From: andrew@trop.in
To: Liliana Marie Prikler <liliana.prikler@gmail.com>, guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Multiple profiles with Guix Home
Date: Fri, 27 May 2022 15:52:59 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pmjzqgr8.fsf@trop.in> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18d58357210056ef4d5b1bc6fa5e40b884012d12.camel@gmail.com>
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On 2022-05-26 01:36, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am Mittwoch, dem 25.05.2022 um 14:01 +0300 schrieb Andrew Tropin:
>> On 2022-05-24 20:31, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Am Dienstag, dem 24.05.2022 um 14:55 +0300 schrieb Andrew Tropin:
>> >
>> > > On 2022-05-23 19:05, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote:
>> > > > [...]
>> > > > I don't think I agree with this choice. To satisfy both my own
>> > > > use case of serving profiles in different locations from
>> > > > another and another issue being raised w.r.t. configuring the
>> > > > location of the .guix-home profile, I think we should make a
>> > > > triple of location, optional short name, and manifest (which
>> > > > may be generated from packages implicitly). WDYT?
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > This service is intended for profiles managed by Guix Home, so
>> > > every profile MUST be a part of home-environment (~/.guix-home is
>> > > a symlink to it). I don't see any meaningful reasons to make it
>> > > possible to customize the path inside home-environment.
>> > Why though? The decision to restrict Guix Home to dotfiles was
>> > already a bad one that has since been overturned, so I think we
>> > should carefully evaluate why "~/.guix-home" even is special. In
>> > my point of view, any path that is prefixed with the user's home
>> > ought to be fair game, as should be constructing intermediate per-
>> > user profile symlinks in /var/guix.
>>
>> It's not bad, it had and has its own goals, pros and cons, I found
>> another design descision, which we think is more intuitive, but still
>> partially serving original goals and we switched to it. The
>> disucssion about ~/.guix-home symlink itself is unrelated to both
>> "dotfiles question" and my original statement.
> Perhaps it's only tangentially related, but it highlights a point of
> contention that I have with Guix Home overall, being that it takes a
> few very idiosyncratic "shortcuts", that I don't think make too much
> sense in the wider sense of Guix. Consider %profile-directory, for
> example. I can't see it anywhere in the code for Guix Home, so I
> assume generations are currently littered into the user home. The
> specific choice of moving ~/.guix-profile to ~/.guix-home is another.
> Assume I only want to use Guix Home for one or two config files, well
> nope you can't unless you're willing to move you packages as well or
> willing to have a pointless symlink that you didn't ask for.
~/.guix-profile is independent from ~/.guix-home and you don't need to
move all the packages to Guix Home if you don't want it.
The profile management is the same as for Guix System.
~/.guix-home is a synonym to /run/current-system.
Customization of ~/.guix-home location is potentially troublesome and
was removed in October 2021.
>
> Don't get me wrong, this is still mostly about managing multiple
> profiles with Guix Home, but the way I see it, Guix Home's own profile
> management could also be improved.
>
>> All dot/xdg/other files belong to home-environment and no side-
>> effects are done during the build of home-environment, the only side-
>> effects happens during activation and $HOME touched only by symlink-
>> manager and I would like to keep it to be the case, otherwise we will
>> end up with tons of stateful ad-hoc hacks.
> I struggle to see how my proposal would complicate that other than
> adding more jobs to symlink manager (perhaps?). For what it's worth, I
> do think that job could be much simplified too by storing the symlinks
> in an association list
> (("~/path/to/symlink" "/gnu/store/path/to/target") ...),
> which could be part of a Guix Home "profile" just like manifest.scm is
> part of a normal Guix profile. The activation script would then read
> this table, expand "~" (as well as check that it is the first letter i
> each of the first paths) and create the symlinks according to spec.
> Best of all, it doesn't even matter that much if the target is in the
> store, in /var/guix/profiles/per-user, or even another place relative
> to ~.
A little too abstract/general, let's see how it goes during
implementation.
>
> Note that I believe that at the point of writing this file variables
> such as $XDG_CONFIG_HOME should already have been resolved relative to
> $HOME, with the former being specified in home-configuration or
> assuming their usual defaults. YMMV on whether that's actually useful,
> one could alternatively allow $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/ etc. as leading
> sequences too, though that invites more errors when experimenting with
> homeless shelters outside of clean shells.
>
>> That said, I would like to avoid any Guix Home logic to rely on paths
>> outside of home-environment. In case you really need
>> ~/work/my-project/guix-profile to be created for some reason you can
>> extend home-files-service-type and rely on symlink-manager to do this
>> dirty job, but the setup-environment script will still source
>> home-environment/profiles/your-profile-name and won't know anything
>> about ~/work/my-project/guix-profile.
> Sounds dirty.
>
>> >
>> >
>> > >
> Cheers
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Best regards,
Andrew Tropin
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Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-10-03 10:50 Multiple profiles with Guix Home Liliana Marie Prikler
2021-10-04 7:17 ` zimoun
2021-10-04 8:11 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-03 14:13 ` Andrew Tropin
2022-05-03 18:34 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-03 19:13 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-03 20:04 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-03 20:39 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-03 20:44 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-04 9:25 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-03 20:59 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-04 4:16 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-04 7:01 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-04 7:08 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-04 13:15 ` Reza Housseini
2022-05-04 13:46 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-04 18:14 ` zimoun
2022-05-04 18:21 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 8:01 ` Andrew Tropin
2022-05-04 18:38 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-04 20:41 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 4:25 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 10:53 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 16:24 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 16:33 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 17:21 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 17:29 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 11:03 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 16:31 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 16:42 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 17:12 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 17:27 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 17:41 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 19:17 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 19:42 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 20:20 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 18:00 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 19:08 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 19:44 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 23:53 ` zimoun
2022-05-05 20:13 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 20:53 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 21:28 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-06 4:19 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-07 23:06 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-05-05 20:50 ` zimoun
2022-05-05 18:25 ` zimoun
2022-05-03 21:11 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-04 4:23 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-04 6:57 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-04 9:24 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-04 13:05 ` Andrew Tropin
2022-05-05 11:05 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 16:22 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 17:07 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 17:19 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 17:29 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 18:24 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 20:14 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 20:27 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 20:38 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 20:41 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 20:26 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-06 18:40 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-06 19:54 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-06 21:32 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-07 7:17 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-23 13:14 ` Andrew Tropin
2022-05-23 17:05 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-24 11:55 ` Andrew Tropin
2022-05-24 18:31 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-25 11:01 ` Andrew Tropin
2022-05-25 23:36 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-27 12:52 ` andrew [this message]
2022-05-27 13:14 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
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