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Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2023 11:14:42 +0000 In-reply-to: <87msuj7j7o.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <87plzfziyh.fsf@cbaines.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.71.252.8; envelope-from=mail@cbaines.net; helo=mira.cbaines.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.81 X-Spam-Score: -4.81 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2583A17042 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: 55YBho/gFKYf --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > Hello! > > Christopher Baines skribis: > >> As previously set out, I'm planning to stop hosting the data service >> instances this year. While I would like to stop hosting the server for >> data.guix.gnu.org, > > I forgot the outcome of previous discussions, but it seems to me that > the service itself and all the data it accumulated over the years are > super valuable. I would be sad to see it go! There was a discussion back in April, but no action came directly from it. Just having data.qa.guix.gnu.org was discussed, and at least concentrating on getting to a sustainable hosting situation there seemed like a sensible priority. The longer history provided by data.guix.gnu.org does have value though in my view. > Is there something we can do to not lose it all? It could be > distributing responsibility, reducing the scope, ensuring hosting is > managed collectively by the project, etc. WDYT? Since that discussion, I have disabled the database dumps and backups, which has reduced (to 62=E2=82=AC per month) the hosting costs (although obviously not having backups isn't ideal). It's possible to further reduce the hosting costs as well by switching away from a VM to a physical machine at Hetzner. But yeah, given that having at least one data service instance is a key part of keeping the bordeaux build farm running, managing the hosting through the project seems to be the way to go. 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