From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Subject: Re: Brasero, or gnome without gnome Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 22:01:09 +0200 Message-ID: <87ob74vm9m.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20131002124146.GA15506@debian> <20131002180223.GA873@debian> <874n8zsc3c.fsf@gnu.org> <20131002205600.GA1680@debian> <20131002211808.GA26447@debian> <87li2bnwf9.fsf@gnu.org> <20131003110744.GB6327@debian> <1380905448.1869.11.camel@creek.rivers> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33874) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VSBdi-0003iV-5H for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 16:06:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VSBdc-0004t3-Tq for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 16:06:18 -0400 Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([141.255.128.1]:54786) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VSBdc-0004sv-N0 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Oct 2013 16:06:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1380905448.1869.11.camel@creek.rivers> (Aljosha Papsch's message of "Fri, 04 Oct 2013 18:50:48 +0200") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Aljosha Papsch Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Aljosha Papsch skribis: > Am Donnerstag, den 03.10.2013, 13:07 +0200 schrieb Andreas Enge: >> That is true. But I feel about GNOME as you feel about KDE, and am not >> overly >> motivated to do more work on it, so it would be good if some volunteer >> GNOME users stepped forward to take over. > > I'm a GNOME user (and occasional contributor) and may start packaging > once I'm done with PHP (it already installs). Great! > While it should be possible to provide a full GNOME experience (with gdm > and gnome-shell) at the moment, I guess it will be quite a bit of work, > also maintaining it, since GNOME assumes more and more systemd behavior: > > http://blogs.gnome.org/ovitters/2013/09/25/gnome-and-logindsystemd-though= ts/ Yeah, that is not encouraging, but we=E2=80=99ll see. Adding features to dmd, such as satisfying the assumption =E2=80=9Cthat an = init system will also clean up any processes it started=E2=80=9D, may be doable, though it seems unlikely that dmd will catch up on all of systemd=E2=80=99s bells and whistles. Yet, systemd=E2=80=99s Linux-only stance is a no-go for the GNU system, IMO. It=E2=80=99s C-only approach is also a hindrance to extensibility. I think we=E2=80=99re in a position to propose new ideas in terms of OS integration and practical computing freedom enhancement, so let=E2=80=99s j= ust push them as far as we can. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.