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[66.158.151.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u9-20020a05620a454900b006b259b5dd12sm11020713qkp.53.2022.08.02.08.15.53 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 02 Aug 2022 08:15:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: Luis Felipe Cc: Gottfried , help-guix@gnu.org Subject: Re: substitute for Skype References: <86b79b4d-5267-b4a6-6dae-317991145c48@posteo.de> <87les8xjn9.fsf@disroot.org> <87ilnc3zti.fsf@gmail.com> <622ab6b8-a2c9-7e3b-5d7a-60fe6d6f2cef@posteo.de> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2022 11:15:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Luis Felipe's message of "Mon, 01 Aug 2022 19:18:50 +0000") Message-ID: <87o7x21xsn.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::735; envelope-from=maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com; helo=mail-qk1-x735.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-guix@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Help-Guix" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1659453421; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=BIgto/7T6SfA2YsyT0y36U0qDkJc2wLcVF7FFBUZFFk=; b=NvfTWv84rEiDYdtF+/wetmF7HJE9CsAWikkURdhf07/v+/N+xal6MfbGX87cIajR9YrpCb VfqW7wRPzLTQxc5GDKki+XWWrdpm9VWx0fDZBN7WOvbfN83XD1K1izhNcQ8+Avo9XTzfD5 OECOx9nfNT88ss1r9M3mSritoEb2PXcrwAy3E6utZFuQzSwXfDXjZ8KLi4VBIrVqgkFGDh jxsyWWu1SvFlBM1vc1He2Lq/ZjBHqtoKGoSyDTZQQRaT0zAAWfK7Tw++BRHZBzabqQeC+z QgEry2nZxjClI1P2h2XbQ+4bH5eWMDqQx4b41BRmYK8eoVcDcAiefiDzNr5oxg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1659453421; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=XsXFGRpiD2sDdnWrRNL8bYxVmy+MUHXpYDPNaFUcGkG3GO9EOeuYtzs4KDmYd3xw8FzgsZ +tWaVw++2bNjvALOS4eslYdh2nLr9t0XBb85a1sC7VyuJ3rk8S6w2wTMcMJQsawzJOveei SHBPe0MgCt2sV27yxcCLI5ZzAg5L33OqfZYLI/i6HreJpJDZ+PbV0an/vbE/+JV8zciPLt N+2OKKxdDaf2x0pbSnrhm4JJJl5+qlflngXlGeQyHcD6nCzNVAcHZFNcdjH38v/YAUjpy8 6mEsUDGus+TUVMZ9YTjpeddUBXZOO7ktJ+PCflCDyy38ig8VxyiJLrJWq5LM0g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=PNHg+35x; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.42 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=PNHg+35x; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4C7D329728 X-Spam-Score: -2.42 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: m5YYOE9p7RpP Hi Luis, Luis Felipe writes: > Hi Gottfried, > > On Monday, August 1st, 2022 at 15:47, Gottfried wro= te: > >> Has somebody got experience with Jami or Mumble? > > I've used Jami until recently. As other people already mentioned, install= ing the "jami" package should be enough. > > I only used it to converse with one person at a time, not group [audio|vi= deo]chats. When it worked, it was enjoyable. Unfortunately, most of the tim= e it didn't. > > I tried it for several months at different times, checking if upgrades > would improve the experience, but the experience wasn't good enough to > grow a list of contacts that included people from mainstream culture > (people used to WhatsApp and proprietary software in general). The few > contacts I had (~5) eventually stopped using the application because > of its constant malfunctioning. Some contacts left making harsh > comments about it. > > Most noticeable problems: > > =E2=80=A2 Missing messages > =E2=80=A2 Sharing images, voice messages and files seldom worked Sadly, I can relate. Luckily there is some hope. The new swarm mechanism for syncing conversations via libgit is maturing and promises to avoid the loss of messages when delivery can't happen in real time (such as when the remote participant is offline). I think the latest release we have packaged already implements it in 1:1 conversations. Mobile clients may have other issues (the need to use push notifications or a gateway server to the distributed network to avoid wasting the tiny battery in a few hours introduces its own share of complications -- and bugs). Thanks for having shared your experience! Maxim