From: Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>
To: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>,
"Maxim Cournoyer" <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com>
Cc: 66436@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: [bug#66436] [PATCH v2] doc: Add some guidelines for reviewing.
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 15:53:04 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o7gmhkqn.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a5s86mos.fsf@gnu.org>
Hi
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 17:54, Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:
>> +@item
>> +@emph{Remain focused: do not change the scope of the work being
>> +reviewed.} For example, if the contribution touches code that follows a
>> +pattern deemed unwieldy, it would be unfair to ask the submitter to fix
>> +all occurrences of that pattern in the code; to put it simply, if a
>> +problem unrelated to the patch at hand was already there, do not ask the
>> +submitter to fix it.
For me this item is clear…
> Another item came to mind, that could be phrased like this:
…while this new is unclear…
> Spend time proportional to the stakes. Ensure the discussion focuses
> on important aspects of the changes; do not let it be derailed by
> objectively unimportant issues@footnote{This situation is often
> referred to as ``bikeshedding'', where much time is spent discussing
> each one's preference for the color of the shed at the expense
> progress made on the project to keep bikes dry.}. In particular,
> issues such as code formatting and other conventions can be dealt with
> through automation---e.g., @command{guix lint} and @command{guix
> style}---or through documentation (@pxref{Packaging Guidelines}, as an
> example).
…especially in the light of these other items:
+@item
+@emph{Review is a discussion.} The submitter's and reviewer's views on
+how to achieve a particular change may not always be aligned. As a
+reviewer, try hard to explain the rationale for suggestions you make,
+and to understand and take into account the submitter's motivation for
+doing things in a certain way.
+@item
+@emph{Aim for finalization.} Reviewing code is time-consuming. Your
+goal as a reviewer is to put the process on a clear path towards
+integration, possibly with agreed-upon changes, or rejection, with a
+clear and mutually-understood reasoning. Avoid leaving the review
+process in a lingering state with no clear way out.
Well, I do not like: « discussion focuses on important aspects of the
changes; do not let it be derailed by objectively unimportant issues »
because it is not clear for me what means “important aspects” or
“objectively unimportant issues”. How do I gauge?
Sometimes, what does not appear to me “important” at first has then, at
the end, an impact that cannot be neglected. This new item appears to
me as: it is not a open discussion and you should refrain from
commenting if you are not sure your point is *absolutely* important.
Instead of this new item – where my understanding is: avoid bikeshed :-)
and I agree – I propose to amend the item @emph{Review is a discussion.}
by explicitly refer to the 3 other items; which are, IMHO, the guards
against bikeshedding. Something along:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
@item
@emph{Review is a discussion.} The submitter's and reviewer's views on
how to achieve a particular change may not always be aligned. The
discussion is lead by remain focused, ensure progress and aim for
finalization; spend time proportional to the stakes@footnote{This
situation is often referred to as ``bikeshedding'', where much time is
spent discussing each one's preference for the color of the shed at the
expense progress made on the project to keep bikes dry.}. As a
reviewer, try hard to explain the rationale for suggestions you make,
and to understand and take into account the submitter's motivation for
doing things in a certain way.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
WDYT? Does it capture the idea?
If yes, I would pick this order for the enumeration:
1. Be clear and explicit about changes you are suggesting
2. Remain focused
3. Ensure progress
4. Aim for finalization
5. Review is a discussion
Cheers,
simon
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-10-25 13:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-10-10 12:54 [bug#66436] [PATCH] doc: Add some guidelines for reviewing Maxim Cournoyer
2023-10-10 13:29 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-10-11 0:24 ` [bug#66436] [PATCH v2] " Maxim Cournoyer
2023-10-15 9:55 ` Josselin Poiret via Guix-patches via
2023-10-16 14:02 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-10-29 14:52 ` Josselin Poiret via Guix-patches via
2023-10-20 8:12 ` Clément Lassieur
2023-10-20 23:01 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-10-22 20:03 ` Clément Lassieur
2023-10-23 1:55 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-10-24 8:49 ` Simon Tournier
2023-10-24 8:59 ` Simon Tournier
2023-10-31 18:53 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-10-31 19:03 ` Simon Tournier
2023-10-24 15:54 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-10-25 13:53 ` Simon Tournier [this message]
2023-10-12 2:48 ` [bug#66436] [PATCH 0/2] Add support for Git Large File Storage (LFS) Maxim Cournoyer
2023-10-12 2:51 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2023-10-31 20:25 ` [bug#66475] [PATCH v2 1/4] git-download: " Maxim Cournoyer
2023-10-31 20:25 ` [bug#66475] [PATCH v2 2/4] gnu: mdds: Update to 2.1.1 Maxim Cournoyer
2023-10-31 20:25 ` [bug#66475] [PATCH v2 3/4] gnu: ixion: Update to 0.19.0 Maxim Cournoyer
2023-10-31 20:25 ` [bug#66475] [PATCH v2 4/4] gnu: orcus: " Maxim Cournoyer
2023-11-05 14:49 ` [bug#66475] [PATCH v2 1/4] git-download: Add support for Git Large File Storage (LFS) Ludovic Courtès
2023-11-07 16:17 ` bug#66475: " Maxim Cournoyer
2023-11-01 19:23 ` [bug#66436] [PATCH v3] doc: Add some guidelines for reviewing Maxim Cournoyer
2023-11-05 14:51 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-11-07 16:14 ` bug#66436: " Maxim Cournoyer
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