From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Subject: Re: [GSoC] Draft proposal for an Install Wizard for Guix Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2016 14:27:51 +0200 Message-ID: <87mvpdecoo.fsf@gnu.org> References: <56F1AEF0.60304@mtu.edu> <871t6ypuuk.fsf@gnu.org> <56F55DE4.4000505@mtu.edu> <87mvpl31uk.fsf@gnu.org> <56F78298.7060806@mtu.edu> <86zitjg4e9.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45487) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1alyBB-0002sj-W0 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Apr 2016 08:28:00 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1alyB7-0006wL-TI for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Apr 2016 08:27:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <86zitjg4e9.fsf@gmail.com> (myglc2@gmail.com's message of "Sun, 27 Mar 2016 14:30:22 -0400") List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: myglc2 Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org myglc2 skribis: > Thomas Ingram writes: > >> On 03/26/2016 07:39 AM, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: >>> Personally, I would like to view the =E2=80=9Cwizard=E2=80=9D as a help= er, and not as >>> something that hides everything and turns people into =E2=80=9Cend user= s.=E2=80=9D > > Wow, Ludo, what do you have against "end users"? I think that for people to enjoy their computing freedom, they must be empowered rather than treated as =E2=80=9Cend users.=E2=80=9D I believe that the scheme under which experienced programmers write intricate C/C++ code providing super-high-level wizards for =E2=80=9Cend us= ers=E2=80=9D does not contribute to the emancipation of individuals. When that code is free, of course it benefits programmers (and so, indirectly, =E2=80=9Cend users=E2=80=9D) and allows society to have collective control over it. But= it still leaves too high a barrier for many individuals to get into programming and exert Freedom #1. Now, I=E2=80=99m not saying that Guix{,SD} or Emacs are trivial for anyone = to hack on either, but I think their design where everything is exposed in a unified way lowers the barrier to hacking. I think a number of people here started contributing packages without knowing Scheme, because they didn=E2=80=99t have to, and eventually became almost fluent in Scheme as they hacked on it. :-) There was a talk last year by Mako on this topic: https://mako.cc/copyrighteous/access-without-empowerment-libreplanet-2015= -keynote I hope this clarifies things! Ludo=E2=80=99.