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From: Chris Marusich <cmmarusich@gmail.com>
To: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Please review blog post draft: powerpc64le-linux support
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 00:37:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mtu5xoep.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a6qbc28m.fsf@gmail.com> (Chris Marusich's message of "Tue, 06 Apr 2021 00:15:53 -0700")


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Hi,

This is the final draft, I think.  I intend to commit it to the "posts"
directory in guix-artwork on Monday morning, USA time, at which point I
believe it will automatically show up on the blog.

Thank you again for your help, everyone!  If you see any last-minute
typos, please do let me know.

-- 
Chris

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From: Chris Marusich <cmmarusich@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 00:10:35 -0700
Subject: [PATCH] website: drafts: Add powerpc64le-linux announcement.

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+title: New Supported Platform: powerpc64le-linux
+date: 2021-04-12 00:00
+author: Chris Marusich and Léo Le Bouter
+tags: porting, powerpc64le, bootstrapping, cross-compilation, reproducibility
+---
+
+It is a pleasure to announce that support for powerpc64le-linux
+(PowerISA v.2.07 and later) has now been
+[merged](https://issues.guix.gnu.org/47182) to the master branch of
+GNU Guix!
+
+This means that GNU Guix can be used immediately on this platform
+[from a Git
+checkout](https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Building-from-Git.html).
+Starting with the next release (Guix v1.2.1), you will also be able to
+[download a copy of Guix pre-built for
+powerpc64le-linux](https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Binary-Installation.html#Binary-Installation).
+Regardless of how you get it, you can run the new powerpc64le-linux
+port of GNU Guix on top of any existing powerpc64le GNU/Linux
+distribution.
+
+This new platform is available as a "technology preview".  This means
+that although it is supported,
+[substitutes](https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Substitutes.html)
+are not yet available from the build farm, and some packages may fail
+to build.  Although powerpc64le-linux support is nascent, the Guix
+community is actively working on improving it, and this is a great
+time to [get
+involved](https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Contributing.html)!
+
+### Why Is This Important?
+
+This is important because it means that GNU Guix now works on the
+[Talos II, Talos II Lite, and Blackbird
+mainboards](https://www.raptorcs.com/content/base/products.html) sold
+by [Raptor Computing Systems](https://www.raptorcs.com/).  This
+modern, performant hardware uses [IBM
+POWER9](https://wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/POWER9) processors, and it is
+designed to respect your freedom.  The Talos II and Talos II Lite have
+[recently received Respects Your Freedom (RYF)
+certification](https://www.fsf.org/news/talos-ii-mainboard-and-talos-ii-lite-mainboard-now-fsf-certified-to-respect-your-freedom)
+from the FSF, and Raptor Computing Systems is currently pursuing RYF
+certification for the more affordable Blackbird, too.  All of this
+hardware [can run without any non-free
+code](https://wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Platform_Comparison), even the
+bootloader and firmware.  In other words, this is a freedom-friendly
+hardware platform that aligns well with GNU Guix's commitment to
+software freedom.
+
+How is this any different from existing RYF hardware, you might ask?
+One reason is performance.  The existing RYF
+[laptops](https://ryf.fsf.org/products?category=1&vendor=All&sort_by=created&sort_order=DESC),
+[mainboards](https://ryf.fsf.org/products?category=5&vendor=All&sort_by=created&sort_order=DESC),
+and
+[workstations](https://ryf.fsf.org/products?category=30&vendor=All&sort_by=created&sort_order=DESC)
+can only really be used with Intel Core Duo or AMD Opteron processors.
+Those processors were released over 15 years ago.  Since then,
+processor performance has increased drastically.  People should not
+have to choose between performance and freedom, but for many years
+that is exactly what we were forced to do.  However, the POWER9
+machines sold by Raptor Computing Systems have changed this: the free
+software community now has an RYF-certified option that [can compete
+with the performance of modern Intel and AMD
+systems](https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=power9-threadripper-core9&num=1).
+
+Although the performance of POWER9 processors is competitive with
+modern Intel and AMD processors, the real advantage of the Talos II,
+Talos II Lite, and Blackbird is that they were designed from the start
+to respect your freedom.  Modern processors from [both Intel and AMD
+include back
+doors](https://www.fsf.org/blogs/sysadmin/the-management-engine-an-attack-on-computer-users-freedom)
+over which you are given no control.  Even though the back doors can
+be removed [with significant effort on older hardware in some
+cases](https://www.fsf.org/news/libreboot-x200-laptop-now-fsf-certified-to-respect-your-freedom),
+this is an obstacle that nobody should have to overcome just to
+control their own computer.  Many of the existing RYF-certified
+options (e.g., the venerable Lenovo x200) use hardware that can only
+be considered RYF-certified after someone has gone through the extra
+effort of removing those back doors.  No such obstacles exist when
+using the Talos II, Talos II Lite, or Blackbird.  In fact, although
+[Intel](https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/10/in-a-first-researchers-extract-secret-key-used-to-encrypt-intel-cpu-code/)
+and
+[AMD](https://www.extremetech.com/computing/292722-amds-secure-processor-firmware-is-now-explorable-thanks-to-new-tool)
+both go out of their way to keep you from understanding what is going
+on in your own computer, Raptor Computing Systems releases [all of the
+software and firmware used in their
+boards](https://git.raptorcs.com/git/) as free software.  They even
+include circuit diagrams when they ship you the machine!
+
+Compared to the existing options, the Talos II, Talos II Lite, and
+Blackbird are a breath of fresh air that the free software community
+really deserves.  Raptor Computing Systems' commitment to software
+freedom and owner control is an inspiring reminder that it **is**
+possible to ship a great product while still respecting the freedom of
+your customers.  And going forward, the future looks bright for the
+open, royalty-free Power ISA stewarded by the OpenPOWER Foundation,
+[which is now a Linux Foundation
+project](https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press-release/2019/08/the-linux-foundation-announces-new-open-hardware-technologies-and-collaboration/)
+(see also: [the same announcement from the OpenPOWER
+Foundation](https://openpowerfoundation.org/the-next-step-in-the-openpower-foundation-journey/).
+
+In the rest of this blog post, we will discuss the steps we took to
+port Guix to powerpc64le-linux, the issues we encountered, and the
+steps we can take going forward to further solidify support for this
+exciting new platform.
+
+### Bootstrapping powerpc64le-linux: A Journey
+
+To build software, you need software.  How can one port Guix to a
+platform before support for that platform exists?  This is a
+[bootstrapping
+problem](https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Bootstrapping.html).
+
+In Guix, all software for a given platform (e.g., powerpc64le-linux)
+is built starting from a small set of "bootstrap binaries".  These are
+binaries of Guile, GCC, Binutils, libc, and a few other packages,
+pre-built for the relevant platform.  It is intended that the
+bootstrap binaries are the only pieces of software in the entire
+package collection that Guix cannot build from source.  In practice,
+[additional bootstrap roots are
+possible](https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2015-02/msg00814.html),
+but introducing them in Guix is highly discouraged, and our community
+[actively](https://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2019/guix-reduces-bootstrap-seed-by-50/)
+[works](https://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2020/guix-further-reduces-bootstrap-seed-to-25/)
+to [reduce](https://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2018/bootstrapping-rust/) our
+overall bootstrap footprint.  There is one set of bootstrap binaries
+for each platform that Guix supports.
+
+This means that to port Guix to a new platform, you must first build
+the bootstrap binaries for that platform.  In theory, you can do this
+in many ways.  For example, you might try to manually compile them on
+an existing system.  However, Guix has [package
+definitions](https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/gnu/packages/make-bootstrap.scm?id=5d8c2c00d60196c46a32b68c618ccbe2b3aa48f4)
+that you can use to build them - using Guix, of course!
+
+Commonly, the first step in [porting Guix to a new
+platform](https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Porting.html) is to
+use Guix to cross-compile the bootstrap binaries for that new platform
+from a platform on which Guix is already supported. This can be done
+by running a command like the following on a system where Guix is
+already installed:
+
+```scheme
+guix build --target=powerpc64le-linux-gnu bootstrap-tarballs
+```
+
+This is the route that we took when building the powerpc64le-linux
+bootstrap binaries, as described in commit
+[8a1118a](https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/commit/?id=8a1118a96c9ae128302c3d435ae77cb3dd693aea).
+You might wonder why the target above is "powerpc64le-linux-gnu" even
+though the new Guix platform is called "powerpc64le-linux".  This is
+because "powerpc64le-linux-gnu" is a GNU
+[triplet](https://wiki.osdev.org/Target_Triplet) identifying the new
+platform, but "powerpc64le-linux" is the name of a "system" (i.e., a
+platform) in Guix.  Guix contains code that converts between the two
+as needed (see `nix-system->gnu-triplet` and `gnu-triplet->nix-system`
+in
+[`guix/utils.scm`](https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/guix/utils.scm?id=83991a34d5c1d4985e54dd029a81412277ad062a).
+When cross-compiling, you only need to specify the GNU triplet.
+
+Note that before you can even do this, you must first update the
+`glibc-dynamic-linker` and `system->linux-architecture` procedures in
+Guix's code, as described in
+[Porting](https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Porting.html).  In
+addition, the versions of packages in Guix that make up the GNU
+toolchain (gcc, glibc, etc.) must already support the target platform.
+This pre-existing toolchain support needs to be good enough so that
+Guix can (1) build, on some already-supported platform, a
+cross-compilation toolchain for the target platform, (2) use, on the
+already-supported platform, the cross-compilation toolchain to
+cross-compile the bootstrap binaries for the target platform, and (3)
+use, on the target platform, the bootstrap binaries to natively build
+the rest of the Guix package collection.  The above [`guix
+build`](https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Invoking-guix-build.html#Invoking-guix-build)
+command takes care of steps (1) and (2) automatically.
+
+Step (3) is a little more involved.  Once the bootstrap binaries for
+the target platform have been built, they must be published online for
+anyone to download.  After that, Guix's code must be updated so that
+(a) it recognizes the "system" name (e.g., "powerpc64le-linux") that
+will be used to identify the new platform and (b) it fetches the new
+platform's bootstrap binaries from the right location.  After all that
+is done, you just have to try building things and see what breaks.
+For example, you can run `./pre-inst-env guix build hello` from your
+Git checkout to try building GNU Hello.
+
+The actual bootstrap binaries for powerpc64le-linux are stored on the
+[alpha.gnu.org FTP
+server](https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/guix/bootstrap/powerpc64le-linux/20210106/).
+Chris Marusich built these bootstrap binaries in an x86_64-linux Guix
+System VM which was running on hardware owned by Léo Le Bouter.  Chris
+then signed the binaries and provided them to Ludovic Courtès, who in
+turn verified their authenticity, signed them, and [uploaded them to
+alpha.gnu.org](https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=41669#125).
+After that, we updated the code to use the newly published bootstrap
+binaries in commit
+[8a1118a](https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/commit/?id=8a1118a96c9ae128302c3d435ae77cb3dd693aea).
+Once all that was done, we could begin bootstrapping the rest of the
+system - or trying to, at least.
+
+There were many stumbling blocks.  For example, to resolve some test
+failures, we had to update the code in Guix that enables it to make
+[certain](https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/commit/?id=b57de27d0331198c9cafb09a1cf8a5fa4f691e36)
+[syscalls](https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/commit/?id=c29bfbfc78ccd9e5c10d38faf3d269eafed12854)
+from scheme.  In another example, we had to [patch GCC so that it
+looks for the 64-bit libraries in
+/lib](https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=46253), rather
+than /lib64, since that is where Guix puts its 64-bit libraries by
+convention.  In addition, some packages required in order to build
+Guix failed to build, so we had to debug those build failures, too.
+
+For a list of all the changes, see [the patch
+series](https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=47182) or the
+actual commits, which are:
+
+```
+$ git log --oneline --no-decorate 8a1118a96c9ae128302c3d435ae77cb3dd693aea..65c46e79e0495fe4d32f6f2725d7233fff10fd70
+65c46e79e04 gnu: sed: Make it build on SELinux-enabled kernels.
+93f21e1a35e utils: Fix target-64bit? on powerpc64le-linux.
+8d9aece8c49 ci: %cross-targets: Add powerpc64le-linux-gnu.
+c29bfbfc78c syscalls: Fix RNDADDTOENTCNT on powerpc64le-linux.
+b57de27d033 syscalls: Fix clone on powerpc64le-linux.
+a16eb6c5f97 Add powerpc64le-linux as a supported Guix architecture.
+b50f4268035 gnu: libelf: Fix compilation for powerpc64le-linux.
+1a0f4013d33 gnu: texlive-latex-base: Fix compilation on powerpc64le*.
+e9938dc8f0e gnu: texlive-bin: Fix compilation on powerpc64le*.
+69b3907adf6 gnu: guile-avahi: Fix compilation on powerpc64le-linux.
+4cc2d2aa599 gnu: bdb-4.8: Fix configure on powerpc64le-linux.
+be4b1cf53bd gnu: binutils-final: Support more Power architectures.
+060478c32c9 gnu: binutils-final: Provide bash for binary on powerpc-linux.
+b2135b5d576 gnu: gcc-boot0: Enable 128-bit long double for POWER9.
+6e98e9ca923 gnu: glibc: Fix ldd path on powerpc*.
+cac88b28b83 gnu: gcc-4.7: On powerpc64le, fix /lib64 references.
+fc7cf0c1ecc utils: Add target-powerpc? procedure.
+```
+
+In the end, through the combined efforts of multiple people, we slowly
+worked through the issues until we reached a point where we could do
+all of the following things successfully:
+
+- Build Guix manually on a [Debian GNU/Linux
+  ppc64el](https://wiki.debian.org/ppc64el) machine (this is Debian's
+  name for a system using the powerpc64le-linux-gnu triplet), and
+  verify that its `make check` tests passed.
+- Build GNU Hello using Guix and run it.
+- Run [`guix
+  pull`](https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Invoking-guix-pull.html#Invoking-guix-pull)
+  to build and install the most recent version of Guix, with
+  powerpc64le-linux support.
+- Build a release binary tarball for powerpc64le-linux via: `make
+  guix-binary.powerpc64le-linux.tar.xz`
+- Use that binary to install a version of Guix that could build/run
+  GNU Hello and run `guix pull` successfully.
+
+This was an exciting moment!  But there was still more work to be
+done.
+
+Originally, we did this work on the
+[wip-ppc64le](https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/log/?h=wip-ppc64le)
+branch, with the intent of merging it into core-updates.  By
+convention, the "core-updates" branch in Guix is [where changes are
+made if they cause too many
+rebuilds](https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Submitting-Patches.html).
+Since we were updating package definitions so deep in the dependency
+graph of the package collection, we assumed it wouldn't be possible to
+avoid rebuilding the world.  For this reason, we had based the
+wip-ppc64le branch on core-updates.
+
+However, Efraim Flashner proved us wrong!  He created a separate
+branch, wip-ppc64le-for-master, where he adjusted some of the
+wip-ppc64le commits to avoid rebuilding the world on other platforms.
+Thanks to his work, we were able to merge the changes directly to
+master!  This meant that we would be able to include it in the next
+release (Guix v.1.2.1).
+
+In short, the initial porting work is done, and it is now possible for
+anyone to easily try out Guix on this new platform.  Because `guix
+pull` works, too, it is also easy to iterate on what we have and work
+towards improving support for the platform.  It took a lot of
+cooperation and effort to get this far, but there are multiple people
+actively contributing to this port in the Guix community who want to
+see it succeed.  We hope you will join us in exploring the limits of
+this exciting new freedom-friendly platform!
+
+### Other Porting Challenges
+
+Very early in the porting process, there were some other problems that
+stymied our work.
+
+First, we actually thought we would try to port to powerpc64-linux
+(big-endian).  However, this did not prove to be any easier than the
+little-endian port.  In addition, other distributions (e.g.,
+[Debian](https://www.debian.org/ports/) and
+[Fedora](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures)) have recently
+dropped their big-endian powerpc64 ports, so the little-endian variant
+is more likely to be tested and supported in the community.  For these
+reasons, we decided to focus our efforts on the little-endian variant,
+and so far we haven't looked back.
+
+In both the big-endian and little-endian case, we were saddened to
+discover that the bootstrap binaries are not entirely reproducible.
+This fact is documented in [bug
+41669](https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=41669), along
+with our extensive investigations.
+
+In short, if you build the bootstrap binaries on two separate machines
+without using any substitutes, you will find that the derivation which
+cross-compiles %gcc-static (the bootstrap GCC, version 5.5.0) produces
+different output on the two systems.  However, if you build
+%gcc-static twice on the same system, it builds reproducibly.  This
+suggests that something in the transitive closure of inputs of
+%gcc-static is perhaps contributing to its non-reproducibility.  There
+is an interesting graph [toward the end of the bug
+report](https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=41669#137),
+shown below:
+
+![Differing
+Derivations](https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?att=1;msg=137;filename=nonreproducible-drvs-small.png;bug=41669)
+
+This graph shows the derivations that produce differing outputs across
+two Guix System machines, when everything is built without
+substitutes.  It starts from the derivation that cross-compiles
+%gcc-static for powerpc64-linux-gnu (from x86_64-linux) using Guix at
+commit 1ced8379c7641788fa607b19b7a66d18f045362b.  Then, it walks the
+graph of derivation inputs, recording only those derivations which
+produce differing output on the two different machines.  If the
+non-reproducibility (across systems) of %gcc-static is caused by a
+non-reproducible input, then it is probably caused by one or more of
+the derivations shown in this graph.
+
+At some point, you have to cut your losses and move on.  After months
+of investigation without resolving the reproducibility issue, we
+finally decided to move forward with the bootstrap binaries produced
+earlier.  If necessary, we can always go back and try to fix this
+issue.  However, it seemed more important to get started with the
+bootstrapping work.
+
+Anyone who is interested in solving this problem is welcome to comment
+on the bug report and help us to figure out the mystery.  We are very
+interested in solving it, but at the moment we are more focused on
+building the rest of the Guix package collection on the
+powerpc64le-linux platform using the existing bootstrap binaries.
+
+### Next Steps
+
+It is now possible to install Guix on a powerpc64le-linux system and
+use it to build some useful software - in particular, Guix itself.  So
+Guix is now "self-hosted" on this platform, which gives us a
+comfortable place to begin further work.
+
+The following tasks still need to be done.  Anyone can help, so please
+get in touch if you want to contribute!
+
+- Solve [the GCC bootstrap binary reproducibility
+  issue](https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=41669)
+  described above.
+- Get [Guix
+  System](https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/System-Installation.html)
+  to work on powerpc64le-linux.
+- Get CI infrastructure to work
+  ([Cuirass](https://guix.gnu.org/en/cuirass/) (see also: [Cuirass in
+  the Guix
+  manual](https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Continuous-Integration.html),
+  [guix-build-coordinator](https://git.cbaines.net/guix/build-coordinator/)
+  (see also: [Guix Build Coordinator in the Guix
+  manual](https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Guix-Services.html),
+  [substitutes](https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Substitutes.html),
+  etc.)
+- Try to build your favorite packages using Guix, [report
+  problems](https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Tracking-Bugs-and-Patches.html),
+  [try to fix
+  them](https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Contributing.html),
+  and [ask for help](https://guix.gnu.org/en/help/) if you're feeling
+  stuck or not sure how to start.
+- Try building rust, and if it works, judiciously re-introduce the
+  librsvg dependency for powerpc64le-linux in gtk+ and gtk+-2, since
+  [it is currently
+  missing](https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/commit/?id=5d2863dfe4613d5091e61800fcd5a48922c8ce4e).
+- Upgrade the default GCC to 8 on core-updates, try to build guix
+  (e.g., `./pre-inst-env guix build guix`), and report/fix whatever
+  issues occur.  We want to upgrade GCC to 8 because, on the
+  core-updates branch, glibc has been upgraded from 2.31 to 2.32.
+  Unfortunately, on powerpc64le-linux, upgrading glibc from 2.31 to
+  2.32 without also upgrading the default GCC (it's currently 7.5.0)
+  causes a lot of problems.  Right now, we believe the best path
+  forward is probably just to upgrade to GCC 8 on core-updates.
+- Merge core-updates to master after that.
+
+#### About GNU Guix
+
+[GNU Guix](https://guix.gnu.org) is a transactional package manager and
+an advanced distribution of the GNU system that [respects user
+freedom](https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html).
+Guix can be used on top of any system running the Hurd or the Linux
+kernel, or it can be used as a standalone operating system distribution
+for i686, x86_64, ARMv7, and AArch64 machines.
+
+In addition to standard package management features, Guix supports
+transactional upgrades and roll-backs, unprivileged package management,
+per-user profiles, and garbage collection.  When used as a standalone
+GNU/Linux distribution, Guix offers a declarative, stateless approach to
+operating system configuration management.  Guix is highly customizable
+and hackable through [Guile](https://www.gnu.org/software/guile)
+programming interfaces and extensions to the
+[Scheme](http://schemers.org) language.
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2021-04-06  7:15 Please review blog post draft: powerpc64le-linux support Chris Marusich
2021-04-06 15:47 ` Joshua Branson
2021-04-08  5:46   ` Chris Marusich
2021-04-06 23:13 ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-08  6:04   ` Chris Marusich
2021-04-08  8:55 ` Chris Marusich
2021-04-08 10:49   ` Vincent Legoll
2021-04-08 16:37     ` Chris Marusich
2021-04-08 17:15       ` Vincent Legoll
2021-04-08 22:59       ` Léo Le Bouter
2021-04-10  9:59         ` Tobias Platen
2021-04-11  7:34           ` Chris Marusich
2021-04-11  7:37 ` Chris Marusich [this message]
2021-04-12 19:46   ` Chris Marusich
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