From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id MDMWE4p6BWIGoAAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 21:50:18 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id uNyMEIp6BWLNIQAA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 21:50:18 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09B063B8B4 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 21:50:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:49844 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nIGOO-0001N3-Qj for larch@yhetil.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 15:50:16 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34180) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nIGOB-0001MS-D3 for guix-patches@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 15:50:07 -0500 Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:35180) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nIGOB-0000mf-2n for guix-patches@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 15:50:03 -0500 Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nIGOB-0003RB-0g for guix-patches@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 15:50:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: [bug#53818] [PATCH 0/3] Add Repology updater Resent-From: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 20:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53818 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Xinglu Chen Cc: 53818@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 53818-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53818.164452615313113 (code B ref 53818); Thu, 10 Feb 2022 20:50:02 +0000 Received: (at 53818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2022 20:49:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57305 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nIGNN-0003PR-KB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 15:49:13 -0500 Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([185.233.100.1]:38924) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nIGNM-0003P9-11 for 53818@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 15:49:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27C25DF; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 21:49:05 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at aquilenet.fr Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hera.aquilenet.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SOheB-Ww_xUy; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 21:49:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from ribbon (91-160-117-201.subs.proxad.net [91.160.117.201]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 951EA174; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 21:49:04 +0100 (CET) From: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= References: <87pmnx7ynw.fsf@gnu.org> <87y22kxkv3.fsf@yoctocell.xyz> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 22 =?UTF-8?Q?Pluvi=C3=B4se?= an 230 de la =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 21:49:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87y22kxkv3.fsf@yoctocell.xyz> (Xinglu Chen's message of "Wed, 09 Feb 2022 13:52:48 +0100") Message-ID: <87leyi4fcv.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Rspamd-Server: hera X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: F27C25DF X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-patches" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1644526218; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding:resent-cc: resent-from:resent-sender:resent-message-id:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=qaeVJQG+Q7OlIEd/Xa/axihlyFD+ohjWFXkc7oNl9Fc=; b=QYA2FpKmztpQIULyxzYfCHob4BjG2FI8yhDYrjApz4JZURqO3tF/3NVEJg8g6WU4ACZ4vl PSi6sP+8Msm92Nh1ipxbbj/SUEigc+iIhiFJKZh+zsmE9YkZ2VSnuOTBvDmvKP0CSzYyGu 5hHfykJXdoyQjMknMfy9Y78bG0Ve5Ow+nKIzKqRlK6FdJHmpi+WLSJDw3cI3YT0CMjDn7o Jw5xEUGRaGA0GRmRlLHu0ZB609Cc/auNSxkpvp5atP/fXCpshNoXsY6UwDxGZOK+Nh+sD4 U66TMTPP0CIx0wbBJhmKEcJP0dmjdQDegmlnBko35inIHMODNoKgORFkwYhFrw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1644526218; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Bv5yfKw1pmYKOqaxjZ0nwAvqWogxe9QJKZ+KOzt3ttGvE7EZQ2Ofmj9aD8C4/6KAfgJp8F l1qJOHNVkuI4Kc3zN7lM4oNp/kT83VPidRyLU2lpylxvKRZYCIQpWDmbd54Hh3eLS7UHZY Y7kk9N/rrJUJAcmslf5RRJpxB36e5QvBd1Uhnf7h/pZrJtkYViPbfZ1MsdEcGQxASRvC4l 36k2Zx79RzKycaLEl48AW2Qw1pVyTs6GI6WSoZ0yH5tr+dQZ8ZGnSTEpAeMwGrjrWlh0hK Vpr1EFvgCiEhChC/rHBcASGbHoPVCPvk60WtSj/NEL1Grjxxk9h43Bq44Al6XQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.63 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 09B063B8B4 X-Spam-Score: -3.63 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 00jyZvopvFMz Hi, Xinglu Chen skribis: > Ludovic schrieb am Dienstag der 08. Februar 2022 um 23:59 +01: [...] >> Repology implements the same functionality as our updaters, so >> repology.org is effectively =E2=80=9Cservice as a software substitute=E2= =80=9D >> (SaaSS). > > Right, but it tracks a lot more repositories than what our updaters do, > so why not take advantage of that. True, but this is kinda self-reinforcing: it=E2=80=99ll sure keep tracking = more if we stop maintaining our own code (IIRC, Repology was started after =E2=80=98guix refresh=E2=80=99 and I believe it=E2=80=99s maintained by one= person.) >> My preference would be to keep our existing updaters rather than >> effectively ditch them and delegate the work to Repology. It=E2=80=99s = tempting >> to think we can have both, but I=E2=80=99m not sure this would last long. > > The point of the Repology updater is to act as a fallback if none of > the other updaters can update a package, e.g., =E2=80=98maven-dependency-= tree=E2=80=99. > I already mentioned that language-specific updaters usually provide more > accurate and detailed information, so they should be used when possible; > we aren=E2=80=99t losing anything here. Hmm yes, could be. OTOH, like Nicolas writes, we would probably need some filtering or post-processing to reduce false-positives, right? Do you have examples where our updaters perform poorly and where Repology does a better job? I wonder if there are lessons to be drawn and bugs to be fixed. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.