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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1661372751; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=lcGE7UhjsW1GFnDnHYMAP0B1yndiiJp3zVebetgl7Hc=; b=cR/vQNVXnl1JzWVgtYGNXuSc7b1fvKevs28kTZol0hgxgQNaicX5e8oPfUAaAQopgcE0Uh gsRG60dtmWAioV3WSxGw/0+wET1HdEOP0cbH/Vtlk+kdQXmditNavy9TxLTc1W22g8bVDr 6D7UwCILungnmJT6lBJh/45VEac4RoK8sBnV8cmvHxMOHNttkgU1Z54VfYagOYBiaa0U7Q LT1M7N99MHd9Q2/DDbz776RLr4ceHfvAUPeIbY9tCu999AnrBIYlEP2p1wNa+G0FkENNwW /1ZgZHMMBe/t4FwjAwUMDjaIBvKFz/58I43eA3HIrIzEr8xGrYM0pByjnJdhug== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1661372751; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=vCW9dlcX/1D2asIb2Ty48mWOfQg4iujmv6fKwEcntBj0OufBVtwF5BJ8yDLwLG/hdSpNfb Ch2VV+u/A8/rbtwomRGe7o0pUkSIvjCJo+wgJ9dBrwOAFDKD2xCBhUBm6nZTA4Qyi9UceA 8/CLTruFU6kfApL/7DfFUCaYlKTkDXw9qp9McCWxEs87P8Zf78KAFe8A0gpkBJf+/3CGY0 Rm0xHO7/Kj7TWPBTZ5jGqfqFdZR9jSuuqSY5h9IZNqSL73QIzzlboY9I5zdbkzzO40wpw8 8Y6jQjMjuOoyd529sJZy5tQ8JhW0g5SrNDFOlalWMB9dfLQCb/Exl8hNrvYD5w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=debian.org header.s=1.vagrant.user header.b=SXz5EfBv; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.91 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=debian.org header.s=1.vagrant.user header.b=SXz5EfBv; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5B3188496 X-Spam-Score: -9.91 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: VV958T+L+vT7 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2022-08-24, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > Am Mittwoch, dem 24.08.2022 um 14:53 +0200 schrieb Nicolas Goaziou: >> Liliana Marie Prikler writes: >>=20 >> > The packages >> > - drascula, >> > - lure, >> > - queen, and >> > - sky >> > all share issues that make me question whether they should be in >> > Guix. >> >=20 >> > 1. Their license explicitly prohibits selling of the games >> > themselves and may thus be qualified as non-free. >> > 2. The "sources" consist of binaries that are installed as-is. >> >=20 >> > Given the above, I think we ought not distribute them.=C2=A0 Note that >> > this is not a statement on SCUMMVM itself, but only the packages >> > built with it. >> >=20 >> > WDYT? >>=20 >> For the record, I added these games because I agree with Debian >> packagers on the topic. See >> < >> https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/d/drascula/drasc= ula_1.0+ds4-1_copyright >> >. > This statement seems to contradict itself. >> The data included in the source package represents the preferred form >> for modifications. >> If they were licensed under the G P L it would fail the "preferred >> form of modification" requirement > As far as I'm concerned, "preferred form of modification" should not be > dependant upon the license in question. Is it Functional Data: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html "For example, some game engines released under the GNU GPL have accompanying game information=E2=80=94a fictional world map, game graphic= s, and so on=E2=80=94released under such a verbatim-distribution license. Th= is kind of data can be part of a free system distribution, even though its license does not qualify as free, because it is non-functional." > Speaking of the license in question, it's prohibition of selling is > nowhere mentioned. It is mentioned in the above link: "2) You may charge a reasonable copying fee for this archive, and may distribute it in aggregate as part of a larger & possibly commercial software distribution (such as a Linux distribution or magazine coverdi= sk). You must provide proper attribution and ensure this Readme and all associated copyright notices, and disclaimers are left intact. . 3) You may not charge a fee for the game itself. This includes reselling t= he game as an individual item." You cannot sell the game itself, but you can charge "a reasonable copying fee" and distribute it commercially... while slightly confusing and seemingly contradictory at a passing glance, those two clauses alone do not appear to violate any of the four freedoms to me: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html#four-freedoms I'm not really sure you have the right to "sell" most software in GNU Guix, but you're free to distribute it and even charge for the distribution of it, and use it in products that you sell to customers. Most licenses do not give you ownership of the software; they roughly give you permission to use, study, modify, and share it under the terms of that license. 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