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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1674138810; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=D/ABwwZsQ7kZJpZUAeIrx7GrkC/Hisdz1Q672soQPU8=; b=bSfrJkHnP1nO2cX5nId/Fle6HGBU2l3r1YMwrsNAMQnjQ332UTaRktdV8ZZb1QhuGXXJSf GTL150491M/g30Uivsv+k7kxEXPOur6wRuvay6DzpbdEfN7PaqNrniSVIK9PxWIKmRxzoC q6IOGAbmWSMf6SiEeukywWi8cEkKHoQxXf8J0C/ssxQhgMxUbH73lo75eBDo7Vvh+rwh6t qvIVFogPpb9+xL4xawXJSTkm+y0zSUOTOIcv3BlWQZePy5ToqHCX89sqWy7OH0J+iUcYPB KLD4UzNEZwZUCpVUDfuMXbzFyppZDoHuOZCbVgzN3vzkV1LPNvAe6WbWNKaIxg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=FMZhMXMa; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1674138810; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=fVGALVCDEUnlJSpXFCqulifRKvm4oiPlE1pwd15TBhd5/k8I9ZiQvZ/Q2+ukc17kUZcsHD MC0wOTjIuQ44GtixCYN6crzlRwtqshxWZPkxxHNjy4O1DpLHxSzHoKn4TahvsB+Na2uOdr olADI7WicrK9wAHAXUBMyza6zUgRU23wx02qymuFu33dUyRfVUeGuwSYSgTFIm/AwCYewr DkKHF/hxx94+OiX3F7rDKwi8OG7wNVqzMHBWgQtZYS/046Sg/uDC0TsDHz35dHxfVrzBfz Ibb61nBL3gFbOIFhPo6erYtS+ZV6RzmiA5iVCDlW22Hzv4Adu/ay+GEQURnwcA== X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.60 X-Spam-Score: -7.60 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 060BE392F1 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=FMZhMXMa; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-TUID: 5s4GBZWtpfj9 Hi, kiasoc5 skribis: > We may wish to utilize multiple package outputs to a greater > extent. Some Guix packages already have bin, doc, and lib outputs. We > could make it a policy to split this for all packages. There=E2=80=99s some a policy already, though maybe not universally followe= d; see point 8 at . > I also wonder how much of the space is taken by debug output. Would > making graft derivations substitutable help? Graft derivations are not substitutable because it=E2=80=99s usually faster= to =E2=80=9Cbuild=E2=80=9D them locally than to download them (it depends on p= ackage size, hard disk performance, and network performance; my experience with an SSD is that grafting is always faster than downloading, even over FTTH.) Ludo=E2=80=99.