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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: guix-patches@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-patches-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.48 X-Spam-Score: -2.48 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8FD365EA26 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-TUID: jpfZSNeYpcBz Andrew Tropin skribis: > 1. One of the possible options is to use free-style configurations for > services, so we can reuse a lot of code and drastically decrease > duplication (only the service definition itself and a one configuration > record) and maintanance burden. We=E2=80=99ve had this discussion before; in the case of key/value-style configuration, I=E2=80=99m against =E2=80=9Cfree-style configuration=E2=80= =9D (nginx configuration is a bit different). With free-style configuration (I assume you have alists/sexps in mind), you might end up generating invalid config files, or get obscure error messages, or whatever; I=E2=80=99ve used Gnus for decades (!), any Gnus user will know what I mean. This is Scheme, not Emacs Lisp/Common Lisp. [...] > 2. Another option is to rethink service extension mechanism a little bit > and maybe make it more polymorphic. > https://lists.sr.ht/~abcdw/rde-devel/%3C87sg56g97i.fsf%40trop.in%3E I very much support experimentation in this area; I=E2=80=99m sure there=E2= =80=99s room for improvement (like Julien=E2=80=99s extension points, which you referred= to in the message above). I=E2=80=99m not sure how that relates to factorizing Home/System services t= hough. [...] > My point here is: let's solve this issue on another level of > abstraction, by improving service extension mechanism, not by creating a > new level of abstraction (as we did in rde or in this patch series) to > cover the wholes in the previous level. Do you have ideas on how you=E2=80=99d change service extension to support Home/System factorization? > I would be glad to cooperate on this and design possible improvements. I interpret this sentence as you suggesting that you=E2=80=99re outside the project=E2=80=94even though my perception is that you=E2=80=99ve been part = of it for some time, even before you got commit rights. So do feel at Home! (Pun intended. :-)) Ludo=E2=80=99.