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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.98 X-Spam-Score: -0.98 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 72E00A7FD X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-TUID: awfYcbwR5cTI MSavoritias writes: > Simon Tournier writes: > >> Hi, >> >> On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 12:53, MSavoritias wrote: >> >>> Do you know if there are any plans to write a scheme bug/patching >>> system? Because looking a bit into it, it doesn't seem like its that >>> actively developed so maybe we would be better served by one in scheme. >>> Or Sourcehut of course as somebody wrote in another email. >>> Since not much would change with sr.ht anyways. >> >> The only work I know is named tissue by Arun Isaac. Arun also >> contributes to Mumi (one web front-end of the venerable Debbugs instance >> of the GNU project). >> >> https://tissue.systemreboot.net/ >> https://archive.fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/tissue/ >> >> Well, I am not convinced by the argument =C2=AB we would be better serve= d by >> one in scheme =C2=BB. For instance, Cuirass or Build Coordinator or even >> Mumi, all are implemented in Scheme and they are receiving very few >> contributions. >> >> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix/guix-cuirass.git >> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix/build-coordinator.git/ >> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix/mumi.git/ >> >> >> Cheers, >> simon > > Its more about: > If debbugs has issues and we dont fully control it and can make those > improvements, why not something in scheme instead of sr.ht? It=E2=80=99s an independent axis. Limitations in Debbugs cannot be fixed centrally because we don=E2=80=99t control the server. If we did decide to operate a bug tracker by ourselves it would suit us to pick one that didn=E2=80=99t also require a lot of effort to work around annoyances. The fact that we=E2=80=99ve used Scheme for a number of tools that don=E2= =80=99t see many contributions aside from those who initially wrote them is a good reminder to adjust our expectations. --=20 Ricardo